(upbeat music) - Welcome to In the News for July 26th, 2024.

My name is Brett Burney from Appsinlaw.com. - And hi, this is Jeff Richardson from iPhoneJD.

Hey Brett, good morning. - Good morning, Jeff.

Good to see you and good to see a little bit more about the upcoming iOS 18.

We talked about this last week.

The public beta is now available, which just simply means that it is available for kind of non-developers.

Although I feel like that line is a little fuzzy because you could sign up to be a developer, even if you're not really a developer.

Anyway, the idea, the great thing for us at least is the fact that we get more and more stories coming out about what we can expect and kind of see it in the wild as it were, which one of the things that I anticipate will be most used and acknowledged probably by most people that maybe don't follow the news quite as much as you and I do, Jeff, is the improvements in Apple's messages or iMessages, right?

I was very excited to see these announcements a few months ago, a couple of, or I guess last month even, when WWDC was out.

And now we're starting to see some screenshots from this story at Gadget Hacks, which it just makes me even more excited about this coming up now. - Yeah, now I should mention, like I think you and I are in the same boat, Brett.

I have not installed any of the betas.

I am just reading about them and stuff.

And in fact, I was literally, I was thinking about installing the beta on my Apple Vision Pro, and then, which is actually weird 'cause they don't actually have a public beta for that, just a developer beta.

But then I was listening to somebody the other day say, "Oh, I like the new beta.

It's a shame that it keeps crashing all the time and I have to keep restarting it."

And I'm like, "See, that's what I want to avoid."

And then I heard somebody else say that with the iPhone beta, it's like, "It's a shame that my iPhone gets so hot all the time and runs down the battery."

I'm like, "Yeah, that's why I'm not installing the beta."

But anyway, so back to what you were saying, you're right, messages is obviously one of the most used apps on the iPhone, of course.

And so whenever there's gonna be changes to the messages app, it's interesting.

This one just, it has to make me laugh when I step back because one of the changes coming to messages that's featured in this article is the addition of things like bold, underline, italics.

And I have to laugh.

It's like, at some point we're gonna look back and our kids are gonna say, "You're telling me there was a time where you could not have underline in a message?"

I know, it's a little bizarre, right?

I mean, this sounds like a 1980s technology, not a 2024 technology, but yes, lo and behold, you will be able to have text formatting on the iPhone and iPad. - Bold font. - You can be bold if you wanna be bold, exactly.

I know it's not funny. - Underline. - So actually you say font, is there a font?

I don't think you could actually change fonts.

I think it's just the text formatting. - No, no, no, no, no.

I just said bold in the font in a general sense, but yeah. - Brett, you don't wanna be so crazy as to have fonts in messages. - I know, what am I thinking? - So anyway, but it's fun to see the preview of what the screens are gonna be like.

And then in addition to those formatting things, there's also these text effects, which we've had for a while, that you can have the text do some funny animations when you send that.

And I actually like those.

I've always liked the one that whenever you just say, "Happy birthday," by default, it has the balloons come up for the other person.

I've always thought that's a cute animation.

So, but anyway, so there's gonna be some new ones.

You can have things slam or do, or the way they come in and come out, it's gonna be interesting.

So it's just a way to emphasize. - Okay, well, there's not a slam, Josh. - There's not a slam, Tara. - There's not a slam.

There's big, there's shake.

There's big and small.

There's shake, there's nod, explode, ripple, bloom, and jitter.

So slam is not one.

Sorry to get everybody's hopes up. - I apologize for that. - These are only the ones that Apple will allow you to have there.

Although to your point, they do look cool.

I mean, I'll take them, you know, if there's nothing else available there.

I kind of like the idea that they're just kind of built in now and more accessible, if nothing else on this. - Yeah, there's a list right there, so. - You know, the thing that you were just talking about, especially when you say happy birthday, I find at least if somebody sends that to me, even though I'm really supposed to be kind of in the know, right, I'm still get so surprised every time because it just doesn't occur to me every time.

And I think to myself, you know, where did that come from?

Like, that's so cool.

And then when I send it to other people, they're like, hey, how did you do that?

And it's nothing magic.

It just, I feel like Apple hasn't really done a good job of maybe uncovering that necessarily.

And so I like the fact that some of these, at least from these screenshots, which are really good, thank you, Gadget Hacks, it's just since that now they're going to be even built into sort of that predictive text or that, you know, that you have there.

So there's some other options now that they can uncover it a little bit easier, which I think is going to be nice on that. - Yeah, so I look forward to using those.

I'm going to be, you know, you don't want to use them a day one because other people haven't upgraded yet.

But the nice thing about the iPhone is most people tend to get the updates, you know, relatively quickly.

So after about a month or so, whenever it comes out, you'll be able to use these with abandon and other people will see them and that'll be fun. - Last question on this, because I think right now, if I send happy birthday to a friend of mine that has an Android device and not Apple, it doesn't work, right?

Do you know, do we know yet if these new text effects are going to be available for non-Apple devices?

Do we know that yet? - Yeah, my understanding is no.

And so what you're really tapping into is one of the things that's coming in iOS 18, and it's not in this article, but there is a new standard that both Apple and Google use called, I want to say it's RCS, if I have my initials correct.

And it's going to allow for some of the features that we've known and love for messages to work cross-platform.

And one of them, for example, is to have better quality pictures, better quality videos when you attach them to a messages app, to a text message.

Another one is, you know, we all know that when someone else is typing something, but they haven't hit enter yet, you can see the three dots that, you know, you can tell that someone's about to send you something.

That is going to work cross-platform with Andrew.

And if you have the beta version, you can actually install it now and start using the RCS messages.

And in fact, I thought it was interesting 'cause I was listening to somebody the other day, it was on a podcast, Leo Laporte, and he was saying that his daughter uses Android and that he was using RCS to send her a message.

And her daughter's like, "Oh my goodness, you're using an Android phone now."

It's like, "No, no, no, I'm not using an Android phone.

I just have this turned on."

And so that's why you're seeing it.

So, I mean, and it will be nice to have a little more, you know, uniformity, but that's as far as it goes.

And so a lot of these more fancy things, like the text effects, like the screen effects with the lasers and the balloons and those sorts of things, those are gonna only be Apple only.

So it's not gonna be 100% the same when you text with Android people. - That could be the tagline for RCS.

For people that have an iPhone, but they wanna look like they have an Android, then you could start using that.

So that's on iOS 18.

The other story that you mentioned too, kind of like with the what's coming type of things is watchOS 11, which I'm actually, I think a little more excited about.

I feel like it wasn't given just maybe enough time or I haven't seen as many people talk about that.

Maybe for good reason, 'cause it's only for the Apple watches, but man, even just a couple of these things that they were mentioning here in nine to five Mac from Ryan Christoffel, this is so cool.

I'm even more excited, I think, for the watchOS update. - Yeah, the first one that he mentions, I'm looking forward to, it's called the smart stack.

And it's the one that if I'm looking at my watch right now, and if I put my finger at the bottom of the screen and sort of scroll up, you will see a stack of, you know, now playing and the weather and my circles and stuff like that, and I can scroll through, but they're all static, right?

They're not really, they don't really do anything.

And I do use them sometimes, but in watchOS 11, they're gonna be able to have interactive things.

It's gonna be very much like the stuff that comes down at the top of an iPhone and stuff like that, that's a live function.

And everything that I've read, including this article that you're showing right now from people that have tried it is they say that this improvement, it doesn't sound like a big thing, but this improvement to the smart stack makes it so much more useful that you'll actually find yourself using this feature a lot more.

And so I'm looking forward to that because again, I do use it sometimes now, don't get me wrong, but if it becomes an even more useful and friendly feature, I'm actually looking forward to that because it's such a simple gesture, just to swipe up from the bottom of your watch and to get all sorts of interesting information from that, that's pretty cool.

So that's one thing I'm looking for. - Yeah, can I add real quick?

Yeah, Ryan talks about in here that he goes, the smart stack is going to appear, where did he say that in here?

Because right now I have to swipe up, right?

To get to that smart stack on here, but he says there's gonna be live activity.

So does that mean that it's going to automatically display on the face screen or will it switch to the live activities site?

You know what I'm asking there? - I do know what you're asking. - Yeah, I really don't want to have to take my other hand and swipe up on it, right?

Like in other words, if I've got an Uber coming and I've got the live activities, I wanna just glance down at my phone and I see that that live activity is progressing, right?

That the Uber is getting close or whatever the case may be.

And I was trying to read between the lines here as he was saying that the smart stack will appear on, oh, here it is.

Your watch will default to the smart stack rather than your watch face with if you have a timer or a stopwatch, for example.

So I read that and at first I got excited, but then the second thing is, okay, but I still wanna see the time when I glanced down at my watch.

Like I don't know how-- - Well, whenever you see the smart stack, it also shows you the time at the top right.

In fact, you can keep that in the picture. - True, that's true. - And even right now, if I swipe up, I see my smart stack's at the bottom, but I still see the time at the top right.

So, but you're right, Brett.

I had not realized that.

And I'm glad that you caught that in the article.

So it's not just that I can swipe to see it and it's got more information, but it's actually gonna be in my face a little bit more on top of my watch face.

Interesting. - I'm only concerned, like I don't want it to be too jarring, right?

Like when I looked down at my watch, I have an expectation of what information that I wanna see.

This could be great.

This could be absolutely fantastic.

And I'm leaning toward that because I do like the fact, 'cause I'm the same way.

I just don't go into the smart stacks all that often.

But it's like, I certainly, if I'm traveling or something like that, I certainly don't have my hand free to be able to swipe up on there.

And I kind of am interested to see how well that that works with the live activity.

So, obviously, it's gonna be interesting to be seen. - One that he shows in the picture here, I think is a good example of how it might be useful.

So on the picture on the right that you're showing, he has, the one at the top of the smart stack is an Uber notification.

And what the Uber notification says is arriving now.

And I know that when you have Uber or Lyft, you will have notifications in your iPhone and even your Apple Watch.

But what would be nice, I mean, that would actually be pretty cool if you're standing there on the side of the street, where is my Lyft?

Where's my Uber?

I could just lift my watch and without having to touch anything, it will be smart enough to know that the Uber or the Lyft or some other service, that's the most relevant information and put it right there on the front without me having to actually touch anything.

Yeah, I'm glad that you know, now that you're mentioning that, Brett, I had not, I didn't realize it.

And now I'm even more excited about it.

So very cool, very cool stuff. - I mean, and I'll just quickly say with the phone, it's the live activity.

So now Uber has that live activity.

So basically at the bottom, there's a little notification box and I can track my Uber, it's just a line.

It's not like it's going on a map or anything.

But it shows me, is it three minutes away, two minutes away?

I like that on my phone, but then maybe when it's arriving now to your point that you say in the picture here, then maybe you can pop up on my watch.

'Cause sometimes I'll have my phone in my pocket 'cause I know the Uber's coming.

So I've like, you know, I'm picking up my suitcases or whatever.

Like I said, some of that will remain to be seen on how that goes, but I would welcome, you know, some kind of a little bit more of a, you know, we call it a smart side, but really it's just AI.

Like what could pop up on that screen on my watch that could be a little bit more helpful.

So we probably spent a little too much time on that, but that's exciting.

Like I'm excited to see how that's gonna pop in and use the smart side a little bit more. - So the other change that he mentions here, and I've seen other people say that it's a good change too, is the ability to modify, to have so much more control over your activity rings and stuff like that.

First of all, you can pause your activity ring.

So if you're the person that tries to get your circles every day, but you've got one day that for whatever reason, you know that you're not gonna get your green circles, you know, maybe you're in the hospital that day, or maybe it's, you know, you're sick in bed or something like that.

You can give yourself a pause.

And then the next day it'll return to your circles and your streak will keep going.

And I'll tell you, and then there's a related one too, which is you can set custom activity goals.

So you can say like, I don't necessarily wanna have 30 green points a day.

I wanna have 20 or a hundred, or you know what, you know, more or less depending upon you.

And this sort of a customization, I mean, again, nobody cares about your circles except for you.

So it doesn't, it's not like you're cheating the system.

Give yourself whatever goals you wanna give yourself.

But I will tell you, Brett, I used to be a person that for years and years and years, really tried to get all three green circles on my watch every day.

And sometimes were harder than ever, but it often gave me that incentive of, you know what, I haven't worked out yet.

I could go sit in front of the TV and eat Cheetos, or I could get on my treadmill and try to get that circle.

And it would give me that little bit of a prompt.

And then I had a surgery on my knee a couple of years ago, and which completely destroyed all of my things 'cause I could not pause it, of course.

And then I've now started to get slowly back into it.

And, but I'm just getting back into it now.

So it'll be perfect for this fall that I'll be enough into it that I'll really get into this again.

And I mentioned this, Brett, 'cause you're somebody that I actually share my activity circles with.

So you'll see it if you ever click on the tab to see how your friend Jeff is doing, you'll see that I'm getting better on my circles every day. - I'll give you a thumbs up. - There you go.

And so I love that Apple was giving this customization.

They should have done this years ago, but I guess better late than never, so. - My family is usually very nice if after a WWDC announcement or a Apple keynote, they're like, "Okay, what do they say?

Tell us all the news."

And so I'll usually give them a quick rundown.

And I gotta tell you, when I told my wife that Apple is finally instituting the ability to pause your reads, this was the thing she was most excited about, Jeff.

She's been asking for this.

She's been calling it a Sabbath, a Sabbath setting.

It's the way that she's been saying.

She's like, "You know what?

I work out like six days a week, but the seventh day, I don't want to work out." - I love it, that's great. - But I don't want, the way that she, and she'll scream at her watch, well, not scream, but she'll yell at her watch.

She's like, "No, I do not wanna work out.

No, I'm not gonna make it work this today."

'Cause you know, the Apple Watch continues to try to tell you and encourage you.

It's like, "You can still do it."

And she's like, "No, I can't still do it.

I'm not gonna do it today."

But then you lose your streak.

I like how- - Yeah, and that takes away your incentive, yeah. - Who is this Ryan is talking about in here.

It's like, "Now you can pause your rings and relax without your Apple Watch shaming you for it."

So there's like no shame rings on this.

So anyway, those are cool things.

And I just continue to be, oh, can I tell you a quick, a real quick story?

Just because this underlies just the whole thing about the Apple Watch on the health side.

I had to go have a medical procedure, nothing serious or anything, but I had to have a pre-check-in call, Jeff, right?

So I'm calling like the pre-Anastasia nurse.

And she asks me like, "What is my resting heart rate?"

Actually, she says first, "Do you have an Apple Watch?"

And I said, "Well, yes, I do, in fact."

And I said, "Why are you asking?"

She's like, "Well, can you tell me what the Apple Watch reports as your resting heart rate?"

And I'm like- - Interesting, huh? - I was like, "Hold the phone.

Hang on here, wait a minute."

So you're telling me I'm having a pre-check-in at my hospital, and I can do this over the phone 'cause it was a remote call, right?

And you're taking the resting heart rate from my Apple Watch as like what you're gonna put into the record.

And she's like, "Oh yeah."

She's like, "If we have a Fitbit or an Apple Watch, that's what we do now."

And it just blew my mind, Jeff, because we talk about this so much that now today, when you have kind of a pre-check-in, you know, if I was in the office, what would they do?

They would, you know, take my pulse, right?

They would listen to it.

And obviously she had a backup plan on there, but that just, to me, just kind of, you know, added an extra layer from this whole Apple Watch as a health product, Apple becoming a health company.

It's like if professional medical professionals are using this as at least a standard, right?

That's amazing.

And then I remember when they went into the procedure.

Yeah, everybody was wearing an Apple Watch.

Like all of the doctors, all the nurses, they all have Apple Watches 'cause that's what they wear today.

It struck me, Brett, that it makes sense that you would do that because if you think about it, if you didn't have the Apple Watch and they just took your heart rate when you were sitting there in the appointment room, you might be nervous about a procedure, you know, it's so that it wouldn't be true.

Whereas your Apple Watch, it should really know what your resting heart rate is because it's on you all the time.

It's got so much more data.

So yeah, interesting.

Anyway, okay, I just had to share that 'cause I thought that was fun.

Cool story, yeah.

Okay, so here's possibly another excellent update for iOS 18, for your iPad or your iPhone.

If you ever, ever, ever really wanted to run Windows XP on your iPhone or iPad, well, thank goodness today is your day.

Here is a new, this is like an app, right, that emulates Windows, but I guess it actually really installs an entire Windows XP environment on your iPad or iPhone.

That's crazy.

So here's the deal.

Apple very recently allowed emulator apps on the iPad and the iPhone.

Now, just because you install the emulator app, that doesn't mean that it actually has the operating system in it.

So you download the emulator app, and then if you want it to pretend to be a Nintendo, you know, Game Boy or something like that, you need to find a Nintendo, actually, I said, that's true.

I guess it has the emulator in it, but it doesn't have the games in it.

So those you need to find online.

But as I understand this emulator called UTM, I don't think that it has Windows built into it.

I still think you need to find a version of Windows to install, if I understand correctly.

But once you find that version of Windows from wherever one finds, you know, those things lying on the back of a truck somewhere, you can then install Windows XP onto your iPad and your iPhone.

And it takes a long time, as the person here, he says, it took him two hours to install it once he did it.

But once you get it done, you know, you will then be running Windows XP in emulation on an iPad.

And although it's slow, the author of this article points out that, you know, way back in the day when he was using Windows XP on a 286 or 386 machine, whatever those old PCs were, you know, it probably was that slow back then.

So it's probably real speed.

What struck me as interesting is when Apple changed its policy this year to allow emulators, I thought that Apple said it was only for old game consoles.

I did not realize that they would also allow it for a computing system, you know, like Windows XP or Next or, you know, whatever these old, you know, operating systems of the day.

And maybe the way he's getting around it is because you're installing Windows XP for the purpose of playing, I don't know, you know, the Minesweeper, you know, one of those sorts of things that was a game part of Windows XP.

So maybe it's sort of technically going in that way.

So one of the things I'll mention is that these emulators, there's a way for these emulators to run more quickly if they download, and this is where I'm getting to the end of my, it's like a just-in-time compiler or something like that. - That's right, that's what he called it. - You can, in theory, put something in these emulators that would allow them to go faster, and Apple's not letting people do that.

So theoretically, it would be possible to run a Windows emulator on the iPad that would be much, much, much faster, but it would involve installing software that at this point Apple is not letting you do because it doesn't want you to run alternative, to truly run alternative operating systems.

But as long as you don't mind it going slower, then you can do it.

So, you know, why would one do this other than for giggles?

I don't know, but in theory, you could install Windows XP. - Dear listeners, I don't know if anybody actually has enough time to do this, although this story is great, just to read it from Wes Davis from "The Verge," and he's got a little TikTok video here that's hilarious on, you know, him, like, why would anybody want to do that?

But hey, you know, if it's something, if you need a weekend project, there you go, you're welcome. - Yeah, well, you know, frankly, when I'm looking at your background right now, Brett, which is the Windows XP background, you know, there is a certain degree of nostalgia.

I remember coming into work every day and seeing that on my screen.

So I guess in a certain degree, you're bringing back, I don't know if it's happy nostalgia or if you're triggering, you know, bad memories from the past, but either one. - Let's go to what we could possibly see from the new iPhone.

We'll go from Windows XP to the, maybe possibly the new iPhone 17, whatever it's going to be called.

Neat article here on 9to5Mac from Ben Lovejoy on what could possibly be changing, maybe from the camera aspect of the iPhone.

I didn't get a chance to like delve too deep into this article, but just skimming it was really, really interesting. - It's worth reading because there's two parts of the article.

One part is he's just talking about rumors, you know, whatever.

One of the rumors is, and again, these rumors, you know, you don't put too much credence in these, but a possible rumor is that in an upcoming iPhone, they will have some mechanical way, what will it be a dial, will it be a button or something like that, that you can actually change the aperture.

And the aperture is how much light comes into the lens on the camera, right?

So if you have like a traditional camera, an SLR type thing, you can control the aperture and aperture is interesting because as more light comes in, the picture can take quicker.

As less light comes in, it's a little bit longer for an exposure, but having different apertures can affect the way that a picture works.

And if you're really into this bokeh effect or an object that, you know, one object in the screen is in focus and the things that are behind it or in front of it are out of focus, adjusting the aperture is a way to get there.

So traditionally, because, and this is what I like about the article, he does a great job of explaining what I'm gonna summarize just super quickly, which is that traditionally the phone apertures used to be, or and still are, as big as possible because the optics are so tiny in these phones and light is so important to taking a good picture that they just need to let us, they don't have the luxury of letting in a little bit of light.

They need to let in as much light as possible.

And then they have these other things that they try to do to come up with the best picture.

So when you use on an iPhone right now, the fake bokeh effect, which is called, what is it called?

It's got a name to it, where it sort of, it blurs things to sort of make it look like it's a professional SLR. - Portrait mode? - Yeah, exactly, portrait mode.

Exactly.

It will do it fake, which means that it blurs the background.

But sometimes if you look really, really close, like if somebody's hands in a picture and you look really close, you might say, "Hey, wait a minute.

My pinky is out of focus and my ring finger is not."

And that would never occur in real life because they're equally distant from the phone.

So it's not perfect.

It has gotten much better over the years.

I'll tell you, when Apple first came out with this portrait effect, it seemed to be like every other picture looks bad, but over the years it's gotten much, much better.

It is totally usable nowadays.

You can still sort of see some weird effects if you zoom in too much, but it's really good.

But what would be even better is not to have to fake it in software, to have a true bokeh effect that comes from actually changing the aperture.

And so that's why I loved this article because he has tons of pictures.

He explains, you know, before and after, and if you do it this, it's this.

And so after you read this article, you will understand why aperture matters and changes the way that your pictures look.

And after reading it, now it has me excited.

I hope that Apple does come up with some way.

You know, the camera feature on the iPhone, much like the messages feature we talked about earlier, is really so popular.

So many people use their iPhone as their camera that I always love it when Apple comes up with ways to make it better.

And I realized that Apple wants to have the iPhone as simple as possible.

They're reducing buttons, not necessarily adding buttons over time, but if they were to come up with a way to add some sort of a control for aperture, I for one would love it.

'Cause I think it would be neat that you could, you know, create very special pictures depending upon what you're looking for.

It's sort of a professional high-end feature.

It's almost surprising to see it in a consumer device, but maybe we'll see, we'll see. - Yeah, he says here that Apple in portrait mode uses computational photography to create artificial blur to your point.

Now, so quickly, can I just ask, does this mean that on the cameras on the phone, is there gonna be some kind of like a mechanical zoom out and zoom in kind of a thing?

Like could there possibly be? - Well, we don't know, but I don't think it's gonna be zoom out or in, but I think it would be open bigger or smaller, you know, an aperture internal.

So like it would either be a tiny little dot or it would expand to have bigger.

So it would control how much light comes in.

And by controlling how much light comes in, that would change the way the picture looks.

But again, the reason this is dangerous is so little light comes into a phone anyway, that if you were to make the aperture small, my concern would be it would only work when you're outside on the brightest of days.

You know, if you have a small aperture and you're inside a house with, you know, just regular overhead lighting, it seems like everything's gonna be very blurry and grainy, but maybe Apple's found a way around that, we'll see. - I would put my confidence in that.

I mean, if there's one thing that Apple, I think has done over the years, they have put so much time and resources and effort into the cameras, because just like you said, they know this is one of the most used things on the, I mean, you know, we've said this before, this is really a camera that can make phone calls in a way.

And it's like, they're gonna continue to put some of that in there, which I think- - I've heard the numbers over the years, Brad.

I think that they've got, you know, not just hundreds, I think it's like thousands of people that work on the iPhone and Apple, I mean, some huge number.

And so, you know that in a lab somewhere, somebody has come up with every possible variation of things you can do.

And some, you know, maybe some of the crazy things, I mean, at one point we would have thought that it was crazy to have, you know, on my phone, three different, you know, lenses on the phone, which seems crazy. - Exactly, like what do you write? - And yet, and some of the competitors on the Android side have even more than three, they'll have four or five, you know, big ones, small ones, so. - Well, they need to take some of those thousands of employees and put them on creating content for the Vision Pro.

Like, they're just coming out too slowly.

I know this is one of your big complaints, it's like more content, more content, more content.

Well, hey, how about another environment?

Just one. - Just one. - Is this Lake Vrangola?

Vrangola, what, in Norway, is that right?

I guess this isn't a movie, like I know last time we talked about the balloons in Turkey, right?

But this is one of these, I mean, obviously, haven't done the Vision Pro yet, but I feel like it's like a meditative environment that you can work within, is that accurate? - Yes, so you have a handful of environments that you can use just to be, you know, where are you when you use the Vision Pro, or you can turn them off completely and just see your outside world.

And I gotta tell you, Brett, 95% of the time I use my Vision Pro, I have environments turned off because I actually want to see the world around me.

If I'm in my house and, you know, somebody else in my house walks by, I wanna see them out of the corner of my eye, I don't wanna wait, no, even if you're in an environment, if they get really close to you, it will show through.

But if you are on the other hand, if you like to sort of transport yourself to another place, I'm gonna have a very zen work session by closing out the outside world and just see the windows that I have placed, well, then you can have these environments, and some of them are pretty cool.

And so Apple has a new beach environment that's coming in Vision OS 2 this fall, but even on the current version of Vision OS, they released this new one.

And so I took a look at it last night, I mean, you're sitting right next to a lake and you're sort of in woods behind you, it's very tranquil.

Although it's a static, yeah, it's a foggy day here when they chose to do it.

And one thing that's interesting about this environment is although it's just a place for you to work, it's basically like a screensaver.

It's like a screensaver for the Vision Pro, but it actually is a little animated.

If you look at the water in the lake, you will see very slight ripple effects as if it was actually moving and stuff like that.

So the name of this though, as you said, it's what, Lake Wrangler, which I had never heard of before.

I gave you a link to the Wikipedia page and apparently it's a lake in Norway.

I thought it was sort of funny that there's something called the myth of Lake Brønne, which apparently of the lake, that apparently there was an old myth that a castle is underneath the lake.

And according to legend, there was somebody who, was it the rich sister in the castle wouldn't give money to her poor sister.

And so the castle went under the lake and they say that you can still on a quiet day, hear the chimes from the castle. - Wait a minute, this says in Croatia, Jeff, I think you're getting your leaks.

This is Lake Vranje in Croatia. - Oh. - But this is Lake Vranje and I can't even find anything. - Okay, so this is the funny thing.

I searched to try to find out what's the, why did the Apple choose this Lake Vranje place?

Because I'd never heard of it.

And when you search on the internet for Lake Vranje right now, all you find are stories about the Vision Pro.

But, of course. - And so I found that one link in Wikipedia, but you're right.

That was actually the wrong lake. - That's correct. - So. - Yeah. - So nothing, so what's the deal about this lake? - Oh my goodness, you're right.

Everything is talking about just. - Why? - Maybe it's a lake that Apple created in Norway just for the environment. - There must be some, somebody somewhere, somebody. - I mean, I've got a Google Maps here.

Ooh, maybe we'll do on Apple Maps 'cause we're gonna talk about Apple Maps here in just a minute. - Okay, so. - But sure enough, here is in Lake, wow. - It's like right, looks like a little bit of south. - Somebody from Norway. - North, west of Drammen. - Has got to tell me. - Drammen? - Why is this an important lake? - Please. - Yeah, you're right, there is no Wikipedia page on Vranglo. - Vranglo. - That's why I pulled up the other one. - It's west of Oslo. - That was the wrong one. - It looks like.

So it's west, it's west of Oslo.

Oh my goodness, it's like right in the middle. - Maybe somebody at Apple has like a summer house there or something and is, hey, I'm gonna take a picture of my backyard and make it famous by putting it in the Vision Pro.

I have no idea why they take this photo. - But you're right, it's like weird, like even just a general Google search that I'm doing here, I can't really find. - You can't find anything about it, I don't know. - I can't find much on there, which like I said, maybe we'll be able to find it on Apple Maps.

If we could get on the web. - Nice transition there. - This is a great story, thank you, 9to5Mac, that Apple Map is launching on the web in a new public beta.

And at first I would think most people that are maybe not, you know, Mac aficionados would be like, what?

Like Apple Maps launching on the web, but it is true.

You know, my default, anytime that I wanna find like a city or if I'm gonna fly somewhere or travel somewhere, I open up a web browser, Jeff, and I go to maps.google.com, like that's just my default, that's where I go.

If I'm on a Mac and I try to like find some kind of a location or so, frankly, what happens usually is that I click a link maybe from, you know, well, not a Google search, but if I'm just somewhere that there's an address, it'll sometimes open up my Apple Maps.

But Apple Maps is a separate app on the Mac.

Like it always has to open up like a whole other app on there.

And frankly, I just don't want that.

Now we're used to that on the iPhone and the iPad, no problem, Google Maps is also an app as well.

But I'm actually, then I got really excited about this, it's like, finally, I can just, I would assume I can go to maps.apple.com and look at Apple Maps in a web browser as opposed to a separate app.

I'm not opposed to the separate app, it's just, it's another step.

And it's like, I just wanna open up another tab in my browser most of the time.

So I'm glad finally that after all these years that Apple Maps may be coming, that you can actually look at it in a web browser, that'd be good. - Yeah, it's not actually, you know, it's not the first time we've seen Apple Maps on the web, because I have to speak, and I'm doing a search, a couple, you know, there's a search service called DuckDuckGo. - Oh, there it is, I can get in.

Yeah, go ahead, sorry. - And years ago, DuckDuckGo, which of course is sort of competitor to Google, right?

It's another way to search for things on the internet.

They didn't have a built-in map program like Google did.

And so they teamed up, yeah, I'm seeing an old article from the year 2020, that they teamed up with Apple to offer a version of Apple Maps within DuckDuckGo.

And so that's been around for a while.

But so this will be, and it's still in the beta form, and you're showing it right now, this will be a way to use Google Maps in a web, to use Apple Maps in a web browser, just the same way you would always use Google Maps.

So it wouldn't have to be part of the DuckDuckGo system.

It's the full Apple Maps experience.

And it really is the full experience too.

I like that you're using it for a prank, that's funny. - I know, I'm fine. - It's the full experience, even to the point of, you know how there's this thing that you can like, if you're in like a city in the Apple Maps app, in addition to just using it as a map, you can get like guides, and like all these extra information about, you know, what do I do for a weekend in Denver, or something like that.

That stuff's also built into the website as well.

So it's full, it's not just a map.

It looks like it's got just about all the features of the true version of Maps.

It doesn't work in every browser.

It does not work, for example, on Safari on an iPhone or an iPad, but actually I think maybe it does on the iPad, but not the iPhone.

But then again, there's no reason to want to use Apple Maps in a browser on an iPhone.

You should just use the Maps app.

And even on a PC, 'cause I often use Firefox as my web browser on the PC that I use for work, and it doesn't work in Firefox, but it does work on a PC in Chrome and in Microsoft, what is it, Microsoft Edge.

So, but again, it's still in a beta version.

Eventually it'll come out.

Google Maps is so good, and so many of you have used it for so long that I'm sure people will still just continue to use Google Maps by default on a web browser, but it's nice to have an alternative.

And, you know, as you and I have discussed in the past, Apple Maps is a good alternative to Google.

There are some things it does better.

You know, there was a time way back when, when Apple Maps was laughable compared to Google Maps, but it's definitely much better nowadays.

So. - Yeah, I gotta tell you, I mean, and I've seen this on the iPhone.

That's typically where I'm gonna bring up Maps, you know, the vast majority of the time.

I like, well, I guess if I oversimplified a little bit, I like the SIM, I like the accuracy of Google Maps, and that's usually what I turn to.

But I do enjoy the interface of Apple Maps more. - Yeah. - I just think it looks better.

I'm comparing the two, 'cause now I found like a Veronga here in both Google Maps on a web browser, as well as Apple Maps on a web browser.

And I gotta tell you, I love the interface a little bit better on the Apple Maps. - Yeah. - It just looks more Apple-y, I guess, it looks nicer on this.

Like I would choose to use it.

It's just that I feel like I've been burned.

Maybe it's been several years back in the old days when Apple Maps just wasn't as trustworthy, but there's been a few times that I just feel like it's not as accurate or it's not getting me the best way to get there.

And you know, I've talked about this several times, but yeah, I do like it.

I'm just glad that it's available within a web browser now.

Like I said, it sounds so silly and simple, and it sounds like it should have been there all along.

And like you're right, it's been there before.

But anyway, it's just nice that it's that easy today.

And I feel like now, possibly, when I click on a link, at some point, I should be able to click on a link, even maybe from a Google search, right?

And it would go into maybe the Apple's map, or maybe I can change it to Apple Map instead of Google Map.

I don't know yet, but it remains to be seen. - Yeah, all those possibilities open up, but it's gotta be, the first step is to have it there.

And once it's there, and once it's usable, then you can start to have all sorts of applications with it. - I feel like this is like a where you're at segment, but we're not there yet.

Although we have one more kind of a quasi where you're at.

This is another iOS 18, something I'm a little bit more excited about.

We even talked about the Messages app, which theoretically, somehow, some way, depending on maybe some hardware or some other software updates, that messages will be able to be sent via satellite.

Now, probably not gonna get all the text effects and everything yet, but this was an interesting story you linked to from William Gallagher at Apple Insider.

First responder network, RapidSOS, adds emergency SOS video support within iOS 18.

This could be interesting. - Yeah, this one is way above my pay grade, but as I understand it, RapidSOS works with many local emergency services.

So if I'm in whatever city, it looks sort of a clearing house.

And if I dial 911, it will go through RapidSOS.

And so one of the features that they're offering to the cities that work with them is the ability to not just have, you know, text messages through 911, but also video.

And again, I've never actually used 911 for real, so I didn't really realize.

I mean, I think of 911 as a phone call, but apparently you can also text 911, which under a certain circumstance, if there was a burglar in my house and I wanted to be quiet, I probably would text 911 as opposed to call them.

And then apparently you can also now send video.

So this could be useful.

So this is different from satellite video.

This is just regular type stuff.

But this is, but you could send a video to say like, you know, I'm in some remote location.

Here's a video so you can see where I am, or, you know, here's a picture of my leg, which is bleeding out.

What should I do?

You know, whatever your emergency situation is, I could definitely see it being useful to send a short video to the 911 responders while you're waiting for them to get to you on the scene. - Absolutely. - So I thought that was a fascinating article.

And yeah, of course it makes sense to have video available for 911 if you can use it. - Even just being able to send like a picture, like you said, you know, just to give some kind of an idea of maybe trajectory or terrain of where you are.

Like you said, you know, like here's an injury that I have.

They can give maybe a little bit more specific help.

That's good.

So they'll be able to find where you're at if you have that capability, which is nice, unless you're in South Korea. - Unless you're in South Korea. - They will not be able to find you.

Actually, maybe the SOS hopefully will still work.

Please, South Korea.

I hope that that works.

But William Gallagher also reports an Apple Insider that the Apple Find My service apparently is not available in South Korea.

Unbelievable a little bit to me, Jeff, but apparently that's what the country has decided upon. - I don't know what prompted him to write this story in July of 2024, but when I first saw it, I'm like, is that accurate?

And sure enough, I searched the internet and for years, this has been true.

And if you go to the Apple webpage too, I had a link there.

It specifically says on the Find My website, it's got like a little italics, you know, small print.

By the way, this is not available in South Korea because of local laws.

And so, as I mentioned in my web post today, when I first saw it say local laws, I'm thinking, what did they ban?

Find My in South Korea?

It's like, no, no, no.

It's you can use Find My.

I mean, legally, you can have a Find My type service.

And in fact, it exists on Android phones, but apparently South Korea has some law that could be interpreted to say that if you do offer a service like this, that the provider needs to maintain the data for like six months.

And so suddenly that means, oh, wait a minute, Apple's thinking, so you're telling me that the South Korean government can come to us and say, please tell me where Brett Burney was located at 4 p.m. on the night of March 26th.

And you'd have to tell them.

And I think Apple's like, you know what?

That's too much of an invasion of privacy.

We will just turn the feature off completely rather than have that privacy nightmare.

So, for a company like Apple that likes to talk about privacy, it's nice that they're putting their money where their mouth is.

And they are disabling a feature rather than, and I would, maybe for people that are in South Korea, maybe eventually they'll change the law.

They'll pressure their government to change the law in a way that Apple will be able to turn Find My on 'cause it's such a useful feature.

But, so this was a fascinating story to me that I had never heard of before, even though I guess this has been true for years. - Yeah, in fact, I would just even look in here that apparently South Korea does believe Apple is tracking location data to some point because just last month they fined the company, but only $150,000.

I feel like, you know, Tim Cook probably has that in his couch cushions or something.

I mean, you know, it just affected at least, just, it's just weird.

I mean, I remember I did a double take on this title of the story, 'cause I'm like, is this South Korea or North Korea?

'Cause it just- - I'm sure it doesn't work in North Korea, but that's. - Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's as well either.

But anyway, just interesting.

Like you said, it's something that, you know, I guess if you don't travel to South Korea, you don't really care that much about it.

But it sounds like that when, since William wrote this, that there was even folks that are from reading Apple Insider from South Korea, and they've got some kind of a petition that they've been doing.

Anyway, just kind of an interesting side of the story. - Very interesting, yeah. - On there, good stuff.

I know that you are excited about the second season of "Severance" coming to Apple TV+.

And thank goodness you don't have to pay for it because Apple is paying for it.

It costs a little bit more than maybe what Tim Cook has in his couch cushions.

Goodness gracious, I would have not had guessed that each episode, if I'm not mistaken, each episode costs $20 million to produce.

If that's correct, that's insane, Jeff. - Yeah, again, I don't know how, these are obviously third parties, but then again, they might be hearing from little birdies that are involved with the production.

I don't know if the report is correct or not, but you would think if it was widely incorrect, somebody would have actually, you know, issued some statement that these numbers are wrong.

So maybe, you know, maybe this has been, but this is Bloomberg reported, and nobody apparently has told them wrong yet, that "Severance" season two is costing $20 million an episode, and to put it in comparison, like even the last season of "Game of Thrones," where they were having all the crazy dragons and stuff like that, even that was only $15 million an episode, and many other shows are much less.

I mean, again, I remember years and years ago when it was newsworthy that in the last couple of seasons of "Friends," that each one of the actors was demanding a million dollars per episode.

So that was at least six millions being spent on the actors alone.

So, I mean, TV shows definitely can cost money.

And so maybe somebody would say, "Oh, but it certainly sounds like $20 million is a lot of money."

I know you haven't seen "Severance" yet, and I don't want to spoil it, but so much of the show just takes place in an office environment.

It's like, they could come to my office and film the darn thing if they want.

And we'll charge far less than $20 million for this privilege too. - I was gonna say, you could only charge $10 million.

It's like half price, come on in. - Exactly.

So it's, but again, maybe there's gonna be some really cool special effects, or who knows what, or maybe the actors are making a lot more, but again, what I say though, is if season two is as good as season one, it's worth every penny.

But what the article says is that Apple was happy to pay for season two, but that Apple is subtly telling the people that are in charge of the show that, "If we're gonna have a season three, let's try to keep the cost just a little bit lower."

A little bit lower. - What's the interview?

Was it Eddie Q that we did, talked about last week or two weeks ago?

And he was talking about how excited he is about "Severance 2," and I'm like, it probably helps maybe to have some high up Apple executives to be well invested in the show.

It's like, "Oh yeah, 20 million, no problem.

Go right ahead."

That's good.

I don't know, it's fun.

You just mentioned about Apple's devotion to privacy, especially on the iPhone side, and you backed that up by linking to an absolutely fantastic little, I guess these are commercials, but I mean, I don't even watch TV, so I think of them as just little YouTube shorts, but they are Apple commercials that I guess would be aired on actual Apple TV or anywhere. - I can actually tell you, Brett, last night I was looking at some of the Olympics footage on NBC, and this commercial actually came on.

Now the version that came on TV, so it actually came on TV.

It was on, I wanna say the USA Network.

Now it was the 32nd version of the commercial.

To get the full effect, you actually wanna go to YouTube and watch the, how long is this one?

Almost two minutes long, because the two minute version is so much better.

It's got so many funny scenes in it.

But anyway, I interrupted you, go ahead. - No, it's okay, because we can't give it away.

We can't show it here, but it's like, you gotta go watch it. - You gotta go watch it. - I found, I mean, the name of it is Privacy on iPhone, so that gives you an idea, but how people are tracking you, and I loved it, you know, from the beginning, these are things that I'm looking at, right?

Here's just a screenshot of the video where it's an obviously a non iPhone, even though it kind of looks like an iPhone in the screen itself.

But the idea is that these are people that are not using iPhone.

So theoretically, I guess they should be using Android devices or so, but it doesn't even look like an Android device.

I mean, it just, it's weird kind of an amalgamation.

Something generic, I guess, is a better way to put it.

But anyway, you just gotta watch it the whole way through, because when people do use an iPhone, then they can overcome. (laughing) - The Alfred Hitchcock nightmare.

We'll just leave it at that.

Very good.

All right, in the know. - Bravo to the people that did this.

Yeah, in the know, in the know. - No kidding.

In the know.

Okay, because of that privacy on the iPhone really has to hone in, it's focusing on the Safari browser on the iPhone.

I just wanted to bring up a quick little tip that I love.

You know, it was, what, about, was it last year with iOS 17 where they did some major changes?

Maybe it's been two years.

They did major changes to the Safari browser, right?

Like the tab started going to the bottom.

I remember we talked about this for a long time and I've gotten to the point where I'm really happy with the way everything kind of has come around.

Like I'm almost gotten used to it now.

But here's the thing.

I love using tabs on my Safari browser.

So, you know, at any one time that I go into my Safari browser on my iPhone, and this is really for the iPhone right now.

Right now I've got 43 tabs that are open.

I like that.

Now, sometimes I go through and I'll clean them out, but I like having the fact that I can just scroll through all of the tabs and I see them as little images when I hold the iPhone in the portrait mode.

But most people don't know this.

If I turn my phone into landscape mode, instead of those tabs being like little cards, it now looks like my browser on a Mac or a Windows computer and the tabs show up at the top in my browser. - Oh, you're right.

That's true. - So I can scroll through the tabs.

And I just love that little tip on there.

I don't use it all the time, but it is something that every once in a while, it's like, I want to find a tab and I want to like, you know, scroll through them.

I just love being able to swap back and forth.

Now, if you, yours doesn't do it.

I know yours sounds like Jeff, you do it.

But if yours doesn't do it, if you go into settings, in fact, this is where I was showing this screen on the screen here, go into your settings, go down and find Safari.

And if you go into the Safari settings, if you scroll down a little bit, you'll see there's a little section in the settings for tabs.

And that's where you can turn off and on the tab bar, if you want that.

And then right underneath there, there's a toggle for landscape tab bar.

So you got to toggle that on.

So if yours doesn't automatically go into that tab bar when you turn your iPhone in Safari on its side in landscape mode, then just go into the settings in Safari settings and turn on landscape tab bar.

And then you'll, it just does it automatically.

I just love that little tip because sometimes because I have so many tabs open all the time that I love going into, you know, the landscape mode and then I can swap back and forth and I can tap on a tab, just like if I was clicking on tabs within my browser on my Windows computer.

So that's my little tip. - So let me make sure I understand that.

So I'm in Safari on my iPhone and I'm holding my iPhone in like the normal portrait orientation.

Now at the very bottom right, there's an icon of like two squares on top of each other, right?

And if I tap that icon, it will show me my tabs in these, they're sort of like-- - In the cards. - Right, the cards.

And I got to scroll up and down to see the cards and stuff like that.

But what you're saying is I just turn my iPhone and now everything that-- - Get out of that card mode though. - So now it's right.

So I'm just in the regular Safari mode.

And when I turn my iPhone, instead of having to do the cards, I can see the tabs.

I have to admit that actually is nicer.

And it seems like it's faster to jump to like what I'm looking for because of the little tab icon.

That's a really cool tip, Brett. - And you still have that little, that card icon in the upper right corner too, by the way.

You can go back into cards-- - So I can still do that-- - Even when you're in landscape mode. - Yeah. - But like I said-- - That's actually a good tip. - I don't use it all the time, but I love being able to do that.

And again, you're kind of limited in the amount of space that you have, but this is the way that I always have it on my iPad, right?

I have it open on my iPad and my browser. - Or your computer too, yeah. - Exactly, and the computer.

And so sometimes I do like going into that just so that I can see the tabs that way and I can jump back and forth.

You know, if I'm comparing two things, it's a little bit quicker and easier, like you said, as opposed to going into the cards. - Very cool.

Very cool.

Thank you for sharing that.

So my tip has to do with the alarms and I am embarrassed to have to share this tip, but because I have been using my iPhone to wake me up.

Thank you.

I've been using my iPhone to wake myself up.

I mean, I want to say since I first got an iPhone in 2008, I mean, for forever, right?

So you would think, you would think that something that I figured out by now is how to use the alarm feature.

And yet I have actually had two occasions this week, Brett, where I had problems.

Earlier this week, my wife walked into the bedroom in the morning and she's like, "Jeff, shouldn't you have woken up by now?"

And I'm like, "Oh my goodness."

I slept through my alarm.

I never sleep through alarms.

How did that even happen?

So the whole day I was discombobulated because I'm like, how did I not?

I mean, I'm just not the sort of person that sleeps through alarms. - You're more upset about the fact you slept through it, right?

That's, I know, it busts your rest of the day. - Fast forward to this morning, Brett.

This morning, my alarm was supposed to go off at whatever time, seven o'clock or something.

And then around this morning, I sort of wake up and it's about 7.05.

And instead of hearing my alarm, I hear this wonderful little lullaby, like da da da, and like this, I'm like, what is that noise?

And then I'm like, oh my goodness, that's my alarm, exactly, am I in heaven?

No, that is an alarm and it's been going off for like eight minutes now.

And it's only now that it woke, so like what in the world happened?

And so immediately what I did is I'm like, okay, somebody has changed my alarm from the tone that I would always have that I've had for years and years and years to something else that sounds like a lullaby.

And so I'm looking in settings under sounds.

I'm like, where is this?

So then once I finally got myself awake, it's like, let me research this.

So this is a reminder to Jeff Richardson.

And if the rest of you can learn from this, great.

So when you're in the app that has the alarms app, the whatever that's called, I just scroll down from the control center and I tap on the little alarms tab.

And so you will see all these different times.

And so for each time, and you can turn each one on or off, for each of those times, if you tap on a time, you can then adjust the minutes, like what time you want it to be.

And you'll see the options of repeat, label, sound, and snooze.

So under sound, you change what the ringtone was.

And I noticed that for some reason, in fact, I'll play it right now.

The ringtone that my seven o'clock alarm was on was something called story time.

I'm gonna play it.

Let's see if you can hear it. - Ooh, sounds lovely.

Oh. - It's very lovely, sort of la la la la. - I see it, I found it, yep. - It made me, it basically was a lullaby. - How in the world that got associated with that particular time, I have no idea.

So then I changed it over to classic.

And the classic tone that I always use is called bell tower, that one right there, which always makes me wake up.

Now, sometime I've noticed, if you go into your alarms, like let's say you have like, you're gonna go turn an alarm on, and you'll see like, I have a seven o'clock alarm, and right below it, I have another alarm, which is also set for seven o'clock.

And I'm like, why in the world do I have two different alarms that are set for the same time?

Well, it's because they're not the same.

One of them had like one type of tone associated with it, and the other one had another type of tone, another tone, or there's other things you can control too, like whether or not it gives you the option to sleep when the alarm goes off, you can trigger that on or off.

So either you will have a sleep button, or a snooze, excuse me, you will have a snooze button, or you won't have a snooze button.

You can turn that off.

And so that's why you may see in your phone that you have one, two, multiple alarms associated with the same time.

It's because there are these slight differences.

Now, for me personally, why did I have two alarms for seven o'clock?

And why did one of them use the bell tower, which I always wanna use?

And why did one of them have that lullaby story time nonsense I have with the slightest idea in the world?

I really, I mean, maybe I set it one night as I was going to sleep and I was half awake, and I didn't know what I was doing, and I changed the alarm.

I literally cannot explain what caused my alarm for that time to be associated with a chime that apparently I slept through earlier this week, and this morning, very slowly caused me to wake up.

But so that, this is just a reminder of how this all works.

Take a look at it.

I wish there was a way I could audit my alarms and say, Apple, please tell me if I have any other alarm on my iPhone that uses that ridiculous alarm sound of story time.

Please turn it off.

And as I was sort of chit-chatting with my wife about this this morning, before I came into work, she said, well, some people like to have those very lulling sounds because it slowly wakes you up.

So you can have that go on at six o'clock in the morning, and it'll slowly wake you up by 6.15 or whatever.

I don't want that.

I want something sharp and obnoxious that says, get your butt out of bed right now.

And so anyway, that's my alarm story and it's a reminder of how the whole thing works.

Again, you would think that after this many years, nobody, especially me, would need a reminder on how alarms work, but I apparently did need to reteach myself how it works, and hopefully one of you have learned this lesson and will not sleep through your alarm in the future. - No, it's good.

I'm glad that you mentioned this because my confusion sometimes comes in the fact that I've got several alarms.

Now, all of my alarms, and I've got like almost 30 different times because I've just different, I've set them, and they do list them chronologically.

So I can see if I've got multiple for a certain time or something like that, to your point about auditing on there.

But we've often talked about this.

I won't go into it too much, but there is that sleep component on there.

So at the very top of my list, I've got my sleep and wake up 'cause I've got a schedule that's set on there.

So I have an alarm actually go off every morning at the same time based on my sleep schedule that I have on there.

But in some cases, I will skip that or pause that schedule and then turn on or toggle on one of the other alarms that I have on there.

But it is good to go in 'cause a lot of times when that's happening, I tap into it and I look at the actual sound to make sure, 'cause typically what happens is that I get to get up earlier to catch a flight or something like that.

So just like you, I want one of those, (imitates alarm) I want something that tells me like, "Get out of bed now, you gotta go, panic." - In fact, I'm glad that you mentioned that, Brett, because you reminded me of something that I meant to mention, which is, you can have it like you just described it, that you have the same alarm every single day.

It'll always be the same way and that's fine.

I personally have not used that because just because of my work schedule, I have some days a week that I will have like a very early morning meeting.

And so tomorrow, so I actually, the time that I wake up every morning, it's usually around the same time, but it does vary from day to day based upon what my schedule is for the next morning or something.

If you just have one alarm that's always set for the same time and you just use it every day, after day, after day, then you can avoid the problem that I described because you're not setting your alarm every night. - That's right. - But for me, I set it every night.

And by the way, I talked about setting it using the app.

Then the main way I set my alarm is I actually just say, "Hey, you know who, wake me up at seven o'clock."

And that's much easier than me having to fiddle through the app and Siri will take care of it.

But sometimes I do use the app.

So anyway. - Okay, one more question on this.

Because I have gotten to the point where I don't have the alarm go off on my phone.

I have it on my watch, my Apple watch.

Now typically it's not by a sound, but it'll start tapping me.

Like that's how I have it.

Now the sleep schedule is on there, but I think the alarms are separate on the watch, if I'm not mistaken, than they are on the phone.

Is that right, Jeff? - Well, I'm not sure if it's, I think you might.

It's been a while since I did it.

I don't wear my watch to bed every night.

Although I do want to change that. - No, that's right, that's right. - Starting this fall, that's supposed to be, Apple is gonna encourage people with the new. - We'll come back to that. - Right now with my battery power, if I wear my watch at night, it's gonna be dead in the morning and I have to charge it and stuff. - Right, okay. - But you're right.

But I have done that feature that you're talking about, Brett, in the past, where when I had a watch that was a little bit newer, I've never had one with a huge battery like you with your Apple Watch Ultra.

But it is nice to wear an Apple Watch overnight.

And I actually do prefer, like, if it would be up to me, rather than have an obnoxious bell tower alarm sound, I would actually prefer to have my Apple Watch wake me up.

Because like you say, it doesn't necessarily even need to make a sound, which is nice if you're trying to wake up earlier than someone you're sharing a bed with.

It can just tap on your wrist.

And I have found that that tap is more, for me at least, it's more than strong enough to wake me up. - Yes, definitely. - And it's actually sort of a pleasant way to wake up because it's sort of like a friend, just sort of like, "Hey, you know, "hey, Jeff, just tapping on you.

"Go ahead, try to wake up.

"Yeah, hello."

So I actually do like watching it, like using that feature on the watch.

And I probably will get back to it whenever I next update my Apple Watch. - I can confirm that my list of alarms on the watch is different than the list of alarms on- - So it is different, yeah. - Except for my sleep schedule.

The sleep schedule does sync.

But anyway, I'm gonna look into that.

Stay tuned for another episode, 'cause I'll look into that.

Because I would like to set it on one and then have it available on both.

But okay, we'll look into that a little bit later.

But not next week.

Next week, actually, our good listeners, summer's always a little bit slow on the news side.

Although I could see you had a few leaks, although we always find plenty to talk about, Jeff, which is great.

But next week, we thought we'd do another little special edition.

We do these at least once a year or so.

This one was interesting.

I'm very much looking forward to it. - Me too. - We're gonna talk about mobile devices leading up to the iPhone.

And Jeff and I have talked about this.

We're not gonna go into all the actual phones, like the flip phones, the Motorola flip phones and everything.

But it's more, I guess it would be more like the personal digital assistants, the PDA sides.

Anyway, we've got a nice show planned for you.

So tune in next week.

We're not gonna be talking about the news, but we're gonna have a little bit of fun talking about devices that- - I really am looking forward to it. - We had leading up into the iPhone, which was released in 2007.

So that'll be next week.

So we'll talk with you next week, but it'll be a little bit different just because we got vacations and stuff coming up too, Jeff, but looking forward to it. - Sounds good.