(upbeat music) - Welcome to In the News for August 16, 2024.

It's good to be back.

I am Brett Burney from appsinlaw.com. - And this is Jeff Richardson from iPhone JD.

It is good to be back.

We were off last week, Brett.

And this week you lost your voice a little bit because of all the speaking that you've been doing at a conference. - I've been at a conference, right?

But it's good, I was not gonna miss this.

And so two weeks ago, I gotta tell you, at this conference, I had a couple of people come up and talk to me.

You know, two weeks ago, we recorded a special edition kind of a thing about all of the devices, the mobile devices, the PDAs that you and I use leading up to the iPhone, and that was fun.

So I was thrilled to see today that apparently the PDA is not dead.

And so thank you for showing the password vault from Sharper Image.

Do you actually have one of these, Jeff? - Believe me, no.

You know, the funny story is, first of all, let me say that I loved that last episode that we had, if anybody hasn't listened to it yet. - That was so fun. - I loved it.

We had some good feedback from it, which was great.

You know, it really brought back memory lane of all the devices that I used to use in my law practice and earlier.

In fact, you know, I looked at the calendar yesterday, Brett, it was 30 years ago yesterday that I started working at my current law firm.

And I'm here 30 years now. - Oh my goodness. - So that's, you know, time flies.

Goodness gracious, 30 years.

But back 30 years ago, when I was still using like, you know, Palms and other things like that, I laughed because I got an email this morning from the Sharper Image.

And of course, the Sharper Image of today is not the same as the old Sharper Image. - Nope. - The name has been sold to other companies and stuff. - Right. - But they try to do the same sort of thing of selling the same types of gadgets.

And when I saw this device being sold as a password vault, I had to laugh.

I mean, it has the, all of the aesthetic of a not great looking PDA from the 1990s.

And I'm sure about the same power.

You know, the idea is you pay 60 bucks to put your name and password, which is something you could do for free on any iPhone or Android phone in an app.

So why you would spend $60 for this little hardware device, I guess the target audience would be somebody for whom an iPhone is too complicated and yet they're gonna figure out this little device.

I don't know.

And I mean, of course, it's just the text.

It's just a password that it's storing.

So it's not keeping- - Yeah, there's no color. - Two factor authentication codes or anything else like that.

But I have to laugh because this is truly the PDA of old that somebody has just sort of repackaged using the same technology.

It must cost them like a dollar to make or something very cheap.

And they're selling it as a $60 password vault.

So it made me laugh and it made me think about the episode that we recorded that aired two weeks ago.

So anyway, it's a nice little follow-up that you can still buy something of the same- - Jeff, it holds up to 400 user IDs and logins. - Oh my goodness, 400, that many, wow. - I'm wondering, I may actually have more than that.

I haven't looked at my one password in a long- You know, I just, now it's been so easy with one password that I just generate it real quick.

Okay, but thank you.

For any of those longing for the days of yesteryear with the PDAs, the password vault is there for, it's on sale now.

It was $69.99. - Oh, that's right, it was $7. - You can now get it for the low price of $59.49.

There's a code called inlets, which doesn't really make sense on there.

Well, speaking of new devices, I cannot tell you how thrilled I was this past week, my good friend, to see that you had a review of the Apple Watch Ultra 2.

Now, I knew a little bit of inside baseball that you were gonna try this out.

This was a fantastic review, by the way.

I thought you really did a great job of like doing the pros and cons of all the things.

And it really just started me to really understand like some of the things I take for granted now.

You know, I've said this a couple of times on the podcast, Jeff, and you've called me on it, 'cause I would say, "Oh yeah, "I just wear my Apple Watch overnight "and I love to see, you know, the sleep."

And you're like, "Wait a minute, "I can't wear my Apple Watch at night "because I have to charge it."

And it's just things like that that kind of pointed this out that this was a great review.

And I am very anxious to hear a little bit more about what you think about your Apple Watch Ultra 2. - Yes, well, thank you.

First of all, thank you for the buying advice.

Now, remind me, you have the Ultra 1 or the Ultra 2? - I have the one, I did not upgrade.

So I'm holding out.

I'm hoping, you know, in these next month or two. - For all of our listeners, I texted Brett the sad news that my previous Apple Watch, Apple Watch 7, which I had planned to replace this fall anyway, it just died, which was so sad.

And I was like, "Well, I'm not gonna, "I don't wanna go two months without an Apple Watch."

But I'm like, "That's okay, let me try something new "because, you know, Apple says you can return things "after two weeks," which frankly is what I planned to do to just try a couple of things.

But the first thing I wanted to do was try this Apple Watch Ultra.

And of course, it's the Ultra 2 on sale now.

You gave me some advice about bands and stuff like that.

And I tried to write a really comprehensive review, not because I think that anybody should get necessarily an Ultra 2 today, but my guess is that either Apple won't update the Ultra this year because the Ultra 2 is still an amazing watch.

I mean, it probably doesn't need to be updated.

Or if they do update it in some slight tweak and come out with an Ultra 3, I'm expecting Apple to release new Apple Watches next month in September.

So if they do, my guess is that the difference between the Ultra 2 and Ultra 3 will be, you know, just like a little minor things around the edges so that this review would still be helpful to somebody who's, it's not the particular model, but it's trying to decide is the Ultra line, whether at the one, two, or three, is the line of Apple Watch Ultra something worth considering?

I will tell you, Brett, I like it more than I thought it would.

So the last time that you and I saw each other in person, you were wearing the Ultra on your wrist and I looked at it and I'm like, "Brett, that thing is so huge." - Huge, I know. - It's obnoxiously big.

Okay, I still think it's obnoxiously big.

I really do, but I am getting more used to it.

I thought it would be an issue with like a long sleeve shirt like being too big. - Yeah, that all works. - Okay, good, good. - Other things like that, I'm like, "Okay, I will tell you though, that the bottom line from a review is what I expected to like, the larger screen, to my surprise was actually not that big of a deal 'cause it's actually not that much larger of a screen.

I didn't realize that.

It's a larger face.

I mean, they bill this as a 49 millimeter face, but that includes that black bezel.

The 49 is measured on the bottom, by the way.

So when it actually comes, yeah, what you're showing in the screen and I showed in my review, in terms of the actual pixels, it's actually not much different.

It is good, it's a slightly bigger, but it's not much different.

And there's only a few cases where you really notice it.

You notice one more line of statistics when you're doing a workout, which again is fine, but I really don't look at those statistics while I'm working out.

Because I'm usually on the treadmill and my arms are going back and forth.

So I'll glance for a second, but it's just not a huge deal.

Now, one thing I actually do like is the modular ultra face, which has sort of become my go-to face.

In fact, what is your go-to face? - Same, same. - Same one, yeah. - It's so great, yeah. - It's a nice face.

I like seeing the digital time.

I like seeing all the complications around it.

I wish that Apple would have something like the modular ultra, 'cause you know they could fit it into the, you know, available for the watches, but they've just decided that they're gonna make it exclusive to the ultra and maybe they do take advantage of those very few extra pixels for it.

So I have to admit for that reason alone, the more pixels are useful to me, but I sort of expected everything to feel bigger and more luxurious and more space, much like when we made the transition from the Apple Watch 6 and earlier to the 7, and it's not like that at all.

So that was a little bit of a disappointment to me.

On the other hand, go ahead, before I change subjects. - I was just gonna say, you did such a good job on there.

And I have, you know, now that I've had the Ultra 2 almost for two years, I guess now, you know, it is such a, it's a different shape, truly, right?

The Ultra 2 is like a very flat top and it's very bumpy.

You know, the ridge on there.

And it works out great for what it did.

You addressed this a little bit, but you know, I haven't had, I guess, a non-Ultra watch for a while, but you know, Apple has done a good job of kind of smoothing the edges a little bit, which means that they were able to spread that screen open a little bit.

And you know, now that I saw you write about this, I kind of got a little discouraged and I'm like, yeah, you're right.

Like, I don't like the flatness of this screen as much, to be honest with you.

I mean, I've gotten used to it and I wouldn't go back right now, but I do like the idea that I wish that they would, you know, go back and maybe, you know, we'll see.

We'll see what they do and maybe it'll go back.

And just one last thing on that modular face, I don't think that I saw you addressed it, but what do you think about the fact that in darkness, it'll go red?

Like we've had an Apple watch face that did that, but what was your impression about that? - I quickly turned it off. - Oh, you didn't like it. - I didn't like it.

I think you're right.

It does do it automatically.

And for the first day or two, I'm like, what in the world is this nonsense?

I mean, I guess if I was outside, you know, trying not to scare away deer or something like that, then maybe I would want this, but no, I want to see that beautiful full color, everything else 24/7. - Oh yeah, okay, okay. - So for me, I take it you'd like it.

Why do you prefer it red? - 'Cause when I'm in bed and if I, you know, I mean, the thing is it goes into night mode for me, I have it, but I just like it that at night, I can quickly glance and see the time, you know, 'cause without the brightness of it, right?

You address the brightness of the face in this review as well.

And I just kind of like that, or if I'm in a darkened area, theater or something like that, right?

It just isn't as, you know, as in your face.

And so anyway, I'm interested that you turned it off, you didn't like it.

'Cause there's only a couple of these modular faces that even offer that, you know, on the Apple Watch Ultra.

So, okay, good.

So moving on, I like it. - Well, I'll say one more thing. - We'll move on from the red face.

The modular Ultra Apple Watch is incredibly information dense.

I mean, to the point that I will admit, it's almost obnoxious.

Like if a person is just walking by me and happens to glance down at my Apple Watch, they're gonna say, "What kind of gizmo is this with all the nonsense?"

And to the point that if I'm actually going out, well, I will actually change my watch face from modular Ultra to something that's more of a nicer watch face that's got hands, just so that if somebody looks at me, it's quite as much of a joke.

Again, only a slight change. - That's a funny joke. - But regardless, in terms of your usefulness and me, I love modular Ultra, that when you put it in the red mode, as whatever that is, everything sort of, to my eyes at least, blends together a little bit more. - It does, right, right, right. - And so I find it a little bit harder to pick out the details.

So there's actually a practical reason that I had it turned off as well.

But thank you for mentioning that, 'cause I didn't even mention that in my review because I turned it off so quickly, I all but forgot about it.

So anyway, so that's everything about the watch face.

And then I'll transition, as you were saying, the literal shape of the Ultra, it really is a very different shape.

And that flat face, I know it's all been designed to make it as rugged and durable as possible, so that if you drop an Apple Watch Ultra, it's probably gonna survive the drop much better than just about any other model of Apple Watch because of all those decisions.

And so bravo, I mean, that's good.

Or drop it, or like I say, if you're climbing a mountain, you hit a rock or something like that.

For me, hit a wall, as I'm more likely to do than hit a rock.

But so I appreciate that it's more durable, don't get me wrong.

And all you need is one opportunity in which you've saved your Apple Watch instead of destroying the screen, and it's totally worth it for you.

So that's all the views on that.

The second thing though is, I mean, battery life.

When you and I were texting about the watch, you told me, Brett, you were right.

You said the battery life's amazing.

And oh my goodness, it is.

I mean, I'm almost speechless because on paper it's just double the battery life, right?

So we can all understand that, double the battery life.

But it's not just double the battery life.

It's the difference between never having to basically worry about battery life. - Yes, right. - And battery life.

I will go all night long and tons of power, no problem wearing it all night long.

There's just ridiculous amount of power.

The amount of time that I jump in the shower in the morning and get myself ready is more than enough to recharge it.

And the thing is, that's not only is that more than enough to recharge it for the day, that's probably more than enough to recharge it for like two or three days.

I mean, it's, so if I was going camping and I had to skip my shower or something like that, it would still be lots of power.

So it truly is freeing.

I mean, all of us, all of us have gone through the days of maybe not the current iPhones because they're really good now, but we all remember the days of yore when your iPhone wouldn't have as much power and you'd have to be much more conscious of, do I have a battery with me or am I gonna plug it in? - Watch it, monitor. - Nobody likes monitor, or for your laptop computer too, nobody likes having to be conscious of battery life.

And the Apple Watch was the one place, and frankly, that was one of the reasons I planned to upgrade my Series 7 this year, is I was having trouble getting to the end of the day.

And it's annoying.

I mean, it might be 10 o'clock, 1030 at night, I'm still doing some work 'cause I'm a night owl, and my watch is dead.

It's like, come on, watch, couldn't you last just a couple more hours?

Whereas with the Ultra, oh my goodness. - Just a little, yeah. - This is the one thing that even if you're not buying the Ultra because you wanna do scuba diving or mountain climbing or all those other crazy things, if you just want a really powerful Apple Watch, if somebody tells me I don't need any other feature, but I'm getting it just for the battery, I would say that's the smartest decision I've ever heard.

Yeah, because the battery life really is so much more.

So-- - I keep thinking here, Jeff, that Apple has to pull that battery power into the non-Ultra at some point, right?

I mean, just the fact, especially since they're gonna, I think you might address this, going to go to watchOS 11, right?

And they're gonna focus on even more health capacity, which means that you need to have that watch on even more.

And I just feel like even the non-Ultra watch, I'm hopeful, I'm hopeful, is going to get a little bit of a boost in battery.

Maybe not quite as much as the Ultra because the Ultra just has so much room that they can fit in more battery, right?

But I feel like Apple has to do something with battery. - Yes, in fact, one of the rumors is that, and this is just a rumor, I don't know if it's true, but next month when Apple comes out with the next Apple Watch, which I assume will be called the Apple Watch 10, one of the rumors is that it might have a slightly bigger screen.

So like, for example, maybe they'll match the slightly bigger screen of the Ultra and the Ultra 2, we'll see.

But wouldn't it be nice?

I mean, and I certainly don't think it's gonna be much thicker like the Ultra, but maybe if they do something to, I mean, if there's space for a tiny bit more battery, or maybe if it's not more physical battery space, but they just do something with the efficiency of the operating system, which is probably more likely to squeeze a little bit more battery life, that would be certainly nice.

So we shall see.

So those are the big marquee things, is the display is larger, but it doesn't really mean the screen is much larger, although it is a little bit.

The battery life is insanely great.

And then everything else is just some of the nice hams.

I mean, for example, the brightness is not a huge thing to me, but the 3000 nits, I guess yours, quote unquote, only goes up to 2000 nits. - I only have 2000. - Mine goes up to 3000 nits.

And I tell you, Brett, when I was outside the other day, you know, in the New Orleans, - You can see it. - It is just horrible. - Yeah. - I was astounded.

I'm like, how in the world is my watch fit so bright in the sunlight?

Now, again, I don't do, most of my life I'm living, you know, indoors in my house, or indoors in my law office, as I am right now, fluorescent lights.

So it's not a big deal, but for those little edge opportunities, I'm like, wow, that's really cool.

The double tap feature was also something new.

It's nice. - I didn't have that. - I wish I could use it even more.

It doesn't work on a lot of third-party apps yet, but I applaud it.

And I'm sure that over the years, maybe, you know, it'll get to the point where we're using it a lot, because it's nice to be able to just look at my watch and do a little tap with my finger. - Yeah, I know. - And do a little, I just brought up, and I can tap again, and I'm going through the little control panel. - Oh, okay, that's cool. - It's nice that I could be doing something else with my right hand and doing everything with my left hand.

So, you know, it's got a lot of cool extra features.

I give the Ultra a thumbs up.

You know, the real question that I had coming into this watch is, is the Ultra just for outdoor adventure enthusiasts, or is there really something there for the rest of us? - Right. - And for me, definitely.

Definitely something there for the rest of us.

There really is. - Okay, great. - Some things I don't like.

I still think it's a little ugly with its chunky design.

I don't like the fact that it's got a bigger black bezel that you can sort of see around pictures. - Yeah, I see this here.

You had another picture here.

It is gaudy, that bezel now.

Yeah. - You see more of that bezel, you know, you don't notice it all the time, but you notice it from time to time.

The action button is interesting.

I feel like I haven't come up with like a great use for the action button yet.

Right now, it's just my flashlight.

But when I say just my flashlight, I actually use the flashlight just about every day. - I know, I know. - Because all the lights on, you know, I'm a night owl, the nights are off in my house.

I don't want to turn the lights on and wake people up.

And so I just turn it.

And with that bright screen and with just simply one button press, it's actually pretty nice.

So, you know, you don't have to spend lots of money for an $800 flashlight, but it is useful to have.

So I really do like it.

I would love to see, you know, the a little bit bigger screen, a better life on other types of watches. - Yeah. - I would love to see the action button on other types of watches.

I suppose I'll mention that the three bands that come with the Apple Watch Ultra, they're really, you know, I think that these are really focused on the outdoor adventurers.

I mean, if you're gonna be scuba diving, you want the ocean band because it's made to go underwater.

And if you're gonna be truly in these rugged outdoor environments, I'm sure that's what the Alpine loop is made for.

I didn't like the Alpine loop.

So I ended up going with the trail loop, which is fine.

It's a nice watch band.

I haven't worn it much since I got the Apple Watch Ultra.

I tried it for the first day or two. - I was gonna say, you have a metal one on right now.

Don't you?

Is it a metal band?

Okay. - I'm just using the Milanese.

And I was actually curious how the Milanese loop, which is a silver, would look against the titanium of the Ultra.

And you know what?

It's fine.

I mean, there's slightly different types of silverish grayish, but they're totally fine.

And all of the other bands that I had been using with my Series 7, like for example, my Solo loops, which I really enjoy using when I'm not at work.

Perfect.

Everything's great.

So, you know. - Okay, another, yeah, go ahead.

I just wanna ask one other question.

Did you get a cellular enabled version?

And did you have a chance to try that versus your 7 at all?

Like any phone calls or things like that? - I have tried it a little bit with phone calls just to see how it worked.

In fact, I was trying it not so much for the cellular function, but because the microphone and speaker are better on the Ultra than the Series 7.

The short phone calls that I had with my son just to try it out, partially try it out and also, 'cause I actually got to call him for something.

They were all fine.

I mean, without doing a side by side, I'm sure if I did a side by side, I would have said, "Oh, wow, this sounds better."

And from his standpoint, perhaps my own voice sounded better, but I didn't do, just from memory alone, calls were fine with my old Apple Watch. - Okay, okay. - Fine with the Ultra.

Maybe they're a little bit better.

I just didn't even notice it, but I did like it.

And again, I also like cellular because it means that even though I really do have my Apple, my iPhone with me at all times, just if for some reason it's not with me, I'm just outside and I don't wanna have it with me, I like the idea that I'm connected all the time.

And this gets to something about the speedier chip.

And again, this is not unique to the Ultra.

This is also true for the Apple Watch Series 9 and will be true for the 10.

But as Apple makes these chips faster and faster, it really does make the watch more responsive to the point where I can check my email and it just works.

Whereas older Apple Watches, you go to check your email and you wait and it's loading and you wonder if it's working.

Whereas with this one, things just are nice and speedy and it's nice to know, yeah, this works.

So really overall, a nice big thumbs up to the Ultra line.

Again, at the end of the day, I'm planning to return this at the end of the two weeks. - How many days you got left?

(laughs) - This weekend, basically this weekend.

So I'm gonna return it, I'm gonna go to Series 9 and I'm gonna see what I think.

And the big difference- - Oh, you have to review that too. - Is the battery life.

So we'll take a look at that.

And my plan is to basically get to the point where Apple releases the new watches in September.

And at that point, I'll either decide, you know what, my Series 9, or maybe I'll go back to the Ultra are fine.

And I really don't need to get the latest greatest thing.

Or if Apple has some cool feature in September that I really want, then maybe I'll make that jump too.

So I'm in sort of this exploratory mode right now, which I did not plan to be in.

But it was sort of a nice, if there's a nice side effect of losing your Apple Watch, it's this. (laughs) I guess I lost my stand streak, Brett.

I had had like many, many, many years of standing every single- - Oh, come on. - Circles. - Yeah. - My Apple Watch broke while I was at the beach and I was at- - Oh no. - My stand streak is now back to, you know, 10 days or whatever it is. - Okay, Apple owes you for that one.

I said, that's unfortunate. - In the new watch OS 11, you'll actually be able to adjust that, right?

Because you can give yourself a day off from your circle. - A rest day.

Oh, that's so fun. - But since rest day doesn't exist, yeah, well, that's, I will not lose my desire to stand just because my streak is broken. (laughs) - All right, well, thank you for indulging us in the Apple Watch Ultra 2.

I guess I've just taken it for granted.

I know I'm gonna upgrade with whatever, if it's the Ultra 3 or something else, it's just, it's become such an integrated part of my life and doing everything, which is just great.

Let's talk about another device. - But, Brad, it sounds like, however, you're in that Ultra lifestyle and it would take a lot for you to go from Ultra down to something else.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Just a little bit, but I agree with you on the things that you're saying.

And when I first got it, I was just like, oh my goodness, this is so clunky.

But for me right now, it's a no brainer just for everything you just said.

The battery life, the screen brightness, all those kinds of things, which is good.

Well, okay, let's talk about the Vision Pro quickly and go through this.

This was an excellent little article from Dan Morin at Six Colors that I know you've talked about.

And really what he focused on here was, he got a kind of like a preview of Vision OS 2, but he was talking about the spatial photos, which I am so excited to hear a little bit more about, Jeff. - Yeah, very cool stuff.

Dan Morin doesn't have a Vision Pro.

He, you know- - Oh, Jason Snell has one, right?

Yeah, Dan Morin, yeah. - Jason Snell has one, not Dan, but he got invited to go to Apple's campus in New York City to try out the headset for about an hour, but specifically with the goal of trying out the new version of Vision OS 2.

Because right now we're still using Vision OS 1, except that if you have the developer preview, you know, much like for the iPhone and stuff, you can have the beta version of the next upcoming OS.

The same is true for the Vision Pro.

And so, in fact, now that I'm thinking about this, the last time that you and I recorded this podcast, I still had not made the jump, but I was on another podcast a few weeks ago called iPad Pros and the host of that podcast, Tim, he's like, you know, Jeff, you should really consider the developer beta because it doesn't break anything, it's totally fine.

And so I took his advice and I did install the developer beta on my Vision Pro.

And, you know, there's a couple of things around the edges that are a tiny bit broken, but nothing that takes away from my enjoyment of the device.

And it allowed me to get an early look at some of the new features, one of which is the new versions of photos.

And related to that is this new spatial photos thing.

And it really was surprising to me and really delightful that, you know, the number one feature of the Vision Pro remains those immersive videos.

They are absolutely fantastic.

But now thanks to Vision OS 2, there is a new number two thing in terms of what makes it really special, and it's the spatial photos.

And I think the thing that makes spatial photos special is unlike the videos that Apple makes where they're choosing the subject matter, whether we're looking at elephants or whether we're watching people do parkour or whether we're in balloons or whatever, I mean, all fascinating experiences and it's amazing to see them in what seems so lifelike as if you were there.

But when it comes to spatial photos, these are your photos, right?

I mean, these are the pictures of your friends and your family, and that already have some emotional or sentimental appeal or bring back memories and everything else.

And when you take a picture, which on its own, I mean, I look at an old pic, I look at like a wedding picture, for example, of, you know, it just brings back so many happy memories from that day.

But I've seen those pictures a million times in my life.

So you would think that, you know, how could I possibly do anything to a picture that I had just literally looked at thousands of times and make it different.

But when you click one button and Apple turns it into the spatial photo, what it does is it's smart enough to look at the photo and find features of the photo that it thinks are more in the forefront and features of the photo that are more in the background, all using artificial intelligence.

So it's just trying its best to guess.

So far, however, I have yet to see it mess up.

It seems like statistically, sooner or later, it's gonna have to guess wrong, right?

Won't it just seem logical to you?

And yet so far it hasn't.

It has correctly pushed them.

And what it will do is it will take, like, for example, if there's a face with a background, like you and I both are right now, I mean, behind the scenes what it does is it basically takes a cutout of me and it makes it just a little bit larger.

And so since it makes me just ever so slightly larger, it can take the thing over my left shoulder and the thing over my shoulder so that it sort of adds that depth so that when you're looking at it, it changes it into something that you really think is 3D.

And so part of me feels like, you know, I understand what they're doing.

It seems like it should just be a party trick.

You know, no big deal.

It's, "Ha, look at that."

But the reality of it is it really makes the picture feel, like, immersive.

Like, and what does that mean to my brain?

It makes me feel like I'm there again.

I mean, not 100%.

It's not quite as much as a spatial video where you really feel like you're there, but it's enough so that I found that the emotional impact of it in just making the picture more alive, whether I'm looking at weddings or pictures of my kids when they were young and they were cute or friends that are people that have passed away or whatever it is, you know, it's something special.

And again, these are just words that I'm saying out loud.

And when I was on that podcast with Tim, he told me the same thing and I'm like, "Yeah, okay, I hear what you're saying.

It's something special."

But then you actually experience it yourself and you're like, "Wow, like this, you know, Apple has something here."

So when Apple figured this out in their labs, they must've been pretty happy that whether it was by design or just by dumb luck, they happened to cross something that really is cool.

And one of the things I like about it is you can take your own photos and you can just, any photo, and you can click one button and make it spatial.

But they also have a feature in the new photos app where they will say, you know, here are some featured spatial photos.

They will go through your library and they're probably picking the ones that they think are gonna come out really good just because they can tell they've got depth in them.

But they'll say, you know, here's a photo, you know, much like right now, you open up your photos and it's gonna show you some picture from years ago that you forgot about.

And it's like, oh, that's a cool photo.

But now it's the same idea.

Here's a photo I've forgotten about and it's a cool photo, but it's in 3D.

And then you're looking at it in the spatial version of it.

And it's, you know, not only does it just bring back the memories of the content to the photo, but because of the feel of the spatial aspect of it, it's really something special.

And so that's something totally, totally cool.

Now, because it's developer beta, you know, this just shows the developer world.

When I first tried the feature, it was working.

And then I tried it a couple of nights ago and it was still showing me selected pictures for spatial, but they actually weren't in spatial.

I then had to open the picture and then click the button.

And I don't know what that is.

This is just an example of little things that Apple will get fixed.

But when it comes out, whenever it comes out, the next weeks, months, whenever it comes out, I'm sure they're gonna have that all nailed down and it's gonna be a really cool feature.

So I love the idea that they're coming up with something that's so cool for Vision OS 2.

I mean, it really makes me think of, is there something else really cool in the wings that I don't even know about that's gonna come out in Vision OS 3 or 4?

I mean, and it just goes to show, because again, I always feel like I have to say with the Vision Pro, I know it's too expensive.

How can you justify spending $4,000 on this crazy thing?

You know, it's so expensive and it's too big and it's obnoxious that you have to have a battery connected by a cord.

Yes, I understand all of that stuff, but it's going to get better in the future, much like today's iPhone and today's Apple Watch are so far behind in the past.

And when it gets there, Apple is playing around with all these things now that when we have less expensive and lighter devices in the future that can still use all of this stuff, spatial videos, spatial photos, then it's gonna be at the point where like, wow, like everybody's gonna wanna get these things.

So that's what's really fun to watch this stuff be developed in real time. - Both you and Dan, I think said something similar in the fact that, you know, this is good that you're talking about it and I appreciate that you're explaining it, but I don't think that people can understand the impact.

I can't even, I don't have it yet.

But it's just like you said, when, you know, the fact, I mean, this is going to so much emotions that Apple sometimes is so good at doing is letting you make a spatial photo out of some special photo that's only gonna be special to you and your family.

And they're allowing you to do that.

I mean, that's just, that's kind of unheard of.

I mean, you know, just the fact that they're gonna be able to allow you to do that.

And I just, I think that's good.

And the other thing quickly, you know, I just thought last week we were up in vacation in Maine and I took a picture of a fish that I think either I had caught, my son had caught.

And I'm bringing this up because when I pulled the picture up, Jeff, and you've seen this, and probably some people have seen this, it was a beautiful way that the fish was framed in this picture.

But all of a sudden there was like a white glow that would just go around the fish.

And what that allows you to do is that's Apple photo showing you that you can tap and hold on that fish.

And I could have moved it.

I could have basically take that fish out of the picture.

And when you were explaining how the space- - Without its background. - Yeah, without its background. - Exactly, without the background.

And so when you were explaining that, like how the spatial photos are done kind of in real time, this isn't like brand new.

You know, you and I, exactly.

You and I have talked about this.

Like Apple has been training on this, you know, for so long.

And I'd love that you have that capability.

Now I just have the iPhone, so I can't really make something spatial out of it.

But I just love the fact that I can pull that out.

And, you know, seeing what the iPhone can do now tells me how much better it's gonna be when I do get a Vision Pro one day. - Isn't that funny, Brett?

'Cause I mean, you raise a good point.

When you and I first saw that feature, and I forget if it came out one year ago or two years ago, you know, you and I were thinking, oh, you can make a sticker with like the subject in your photos.

But in the labs, you know, the people at Apple are thinking, oh yeah, yes, you could do a sticker, but wait till you see what we've got planned in the future.

It just sort of shows like, you know, you have this technology and this technology, and Apple puts it all together.

And it makes, and again, it's one of these things that it makes you wonder, what do I have today?

What are the two or three things that I'm looking at right now that I'm not yet seeing how they fit together to create something way beyond that Apple's gonna show us a year or two from now?

You know that there's something out there.

I just don't know what it is, so. - Well, we talked about batteries for the Apple Watch.

Let's talk about batteries for the iPhone.

We can just do this real quick because we love the wire cutter.

They always do such a great job.

And most everybody at this point has some kind of a portable power bank or charger.

But when I saw that you linked to this today, Jeff, the one thing that I loved, 'cause I've always tried to ask, why don't more people kind of focus on this?

Most battery banks that I see are just the bank, and you have to then have a cable to plug into the Apple power bank, or the power bank, and then plug into your phone.

And I'm like, I don't wanna carry both the power bank and the cord.

So I have always looked for something which it looks like wire cutter is right in line with what I'm looking at.

The Belkin Boost Charge, not only is it a flat power bank, but I love that the cables are built in.

They have a lightning cable and they have a USB-C cable.

And I love this.

That's why I wanted to talk about this today.

I don't have the Belkin one.

I had one that I bought a long time ago from a company called Rory, a third party, but it also had an Apple Watch.

But I love this.

I carry it around all the time because it has those cables built in.

And so I just like the fact that you linked to this today. - Yeah, that is cool.

I mean, most of the batteries, in fact, I literally have one on my desk right here just because it has my law firm logo on it.

You know, the logo's on everything.

But it's a traditional power.

In fact, this one's nice 'cause on the flip side, you can actually do Qi charging.

But like you say, on the end, it's got just the ports, the USB and USB 3.

So I have to go out and find a cord. - Find a cable. - And then it's awkward to go from the cable to this and that having something built in.

Yeah, when I read that, that was the one thing that jumped out at me at this wire cutter review is the next time that I buy a battery.

And I always think about it this time of year because living down here in the South, we're about to have hurricane season.

And we've gotten to the point where my battery on my iPhone, and especially with the Ultra I have right now, a lot of my batteries are good enough that I'm not needing to plug in as much as I used to, except for like extreme circumstances, like a hurricane or a power outage or something.

And that's when you're looking for all of your battery chargers.

And yeah, being able to pick up a single device that has everything you need right there, including a built-in cord, that makes a ton of sense to me.

And the next time that I buy one, I'm gonna follow your advice, your wire cutter's advice. - You're gonna do it, right. - And I'm gonna get something like this that's got it built in.

And this Belkin product looks pretty good. $70, a little bit more expensive, but Belkin quality is good. - Worth it. - The one that you were showing that you bought was much less cheap.

What was it? - Yeah, $24, right. - And how big is that one?

But that's half the price. - It's not very big. - It's 5,000 milliamps as opposed to 10,000.

So you get half as much charge. - Exactly, it's much lower.

Right. - But much, much cheaper.

So you just have to make your decision on that. - Yeah, I just, I love this, 'cause again, today we've talked about this.

I'm pretty much, I think, all the way on to USB-C now, except I still do have the MagSafe charger for the back of my iPhone, Jeff, which they don't even make anymore, but it's still lightning.

And so again, I love this because once you have a battery pack, just like we all do, inevitably today, I think more than ever before, it's just so frustrating because do you need USB-C to USB-C?

Do you need USB-C to lightning?

Do you need USB-A to lightning?

And it's just so frustrating.

That's why I love having this.

So thanks for posting that today.

I'm glad that that works out good.

Well, Apple continues to support major league soccer. (laughing) Ted Lasso.

But when I saw this story, that was the first thing that I thought of.

I mean, they still show MLS games, right?

So this is an interesting story.

Massive iPhone array will replace English Premier League's awful video referee tech. (laughing) It's almost like a replay technology, but apparently they're gonna have like hundreds of iPhones around the pitch, around the field.

And that's a little odd, but hey, maybe an automated referee would be a little bit better than a human referee.

I don't know. (laughing) - Yeah, it'll be interesting, the technology.

I mean, it makes sense that the, we always talk about how the iPhone camera is so amazing, especially for, you can have good depth and like mine's got the 5X optical zoom on it. - Right. - You got HDR and high frame rate and everything else.

And so I guess they figured that if you have a whole bunch of iPhones looking all around the field, that that is gonna produce a more reliable, yeah, it's unclear to me if the iPhones are gonna actually call the offsides or an official watching the iPhones, where there'll be still a human involved.

But it's pretty funny to me that they, when they were replacing the prior technology that they were using with video cameras, that they decided, you know what?

The best and most effective way to do this is to use just a bunch of iPhones.

That's pretty funny to me. - A bunch of iPhones. - That is pretty funny.

I look forward to seeing this in practice.

And again, because of, you know, I didn't really think about, you know, soccer in Europe until Ted Lasso.

It's funny that, you know, Ted Lasso is over and yet Apple is still having an impact on what's going on on the pitch. - Right. - So very funny. - I just, I find it so fascinating.

It's not just cameras, like it's full iPhones.

Like the iPhone can do so much.

So it's not just using the camera, they're obviously utilizing the internal processing power of the iPhones to like collaborate all together or anything.

Anyway, just really interesting stuff.

We have reported on some stories in the past about Apple maybe trying to pull some manufacturing out of China, not being so reliant on China.

And I think we've known this has been going on even to where some manufacturers, well, have tried to be in the United States, but we know that Apple has manufacturing plants in other places.

But boy, Heidi, I did not know that they had invested this much in India.

India says Apple is the fastest growing firm in the country over the last 50 years.

This is William Gallagher in Apple Insider.

Just amazing how much that they're already doing in India, which I think is a good thing. - Yeah, the headline alone is astounding that, you know, of all the companies that would be growing in India over the last half century, Apple is the number one is pretty, you know, pretty interesting. - Right. - Now I know that part of it was India is one of those countries, and I don't know all the details on this, but years ago, they had adopted some laws that in order to sell things like a smartphone, you had to make a certain percentage of it in the country.

So like, it was a little bit of a protectionist law that they had enacted. - Okay. - But I guess Apple decided to play ball and to comply with it.

And, you know, as a result, they're now doing a ton of manufacturing in India, which I think is good for the company and frankly, good for us users, because like you said, Brett, it means that they're not 100% tied to a single nation in China. - Reliant, right. - What should happen if we get into some, you know, if what happens if China were to invade someplace, much like Russia has invaded Ukraine, and as a result, you know, tariffs went up and everything else that you couldn't get stuff from China, now that would have a huge impact on the economy in a million different ways, but iPhones would be one of them.

So it's nice to, it's always good to diversify.

No question, it's good to diversify.

So part of it is for diversification.

Another part of it is just for in-country sales.

But people apparently in India are buying iPhones and they, you know, they're doing well.

They're making them there, they're selling them there.

So it's a big country.

I've always known in my periphery, like I've always had a sense that India was an up and coming country for Apple, but I did not understand how much before seeing this article. - Right, that's good.

It's good stuff.

On your new Apple Watch Ultra 2 that you may or may not return, hopefully you've put on the animations from "Toy Story 5" coming out.

I thought this was really cute.

Pixar has reused an Apple Watch face to make the new "Toy Story 5" trailer.

This is just pretty amazing. - This is hilarious to me.

I mean, if you look at the little trailer that they have, it's all the characters, you know, jumping into view and you look at it and you're like, oh, that's a cute little animation.

And then you realize every single one of those animations with like one exception, all they did was take the exact same animation that's been on the watch for years.

And they just literally like copied the animation, paste it into this YouTube video and it's done.

It's like a summer intern created this in an hour.

I mean, I'm joking, who knows, maybe it was more than an hour but you know, based on assets that had been created years ago for the Apple Watch and presto change-o, now you have a trailer for a movie that won't even come out for two more years. - Right, right. - It's pretty funny, pretty funny. - Now, Jeff, I know that you and I- - I mean, I guess that means that the movie is so much in development that they don't have any frames of it to show yet.

I don't even know. - I don't know.

Now, Jeff, I know you and I have kids that are not at the age of "Toy Story" fame anymore, but I'm gonna guess your kids probably watched, you remember the original "Toy Story."

And I don't know if you've had a chance to like see some of the footage from the original "Toy Story."

Anytime I've gone back and looked at it, it looks so horrendous in my mind. - Compared to today's technology, yeah. - It's like so primitive compared to today.

But it was just so weird 'cause every time I see it, I remember how much of an impact that movie had on all of us, being one of the best animated movies.

But now when you look at it compared to what you can do today, it's just like, are you serious?

This is what we dealt with?

Anyway, it's still good.

Speaking of things to watch. - Yeah, I was just gonna say, "Toy Story" came out in '95, so that was really early in the day. - '95. - But I do remember "Toy Story 3," which came out in 2010.

That was what, 14 years ago?

That was the one that when my kids were of the age of watching movies.

That was a big one was "Toy Story 3."

And I'm sure if you do a side-by-side comparison.

So who knows, when "Toy Story 5" comes out in two years, maybe it will be incredibly realistic.

We shall see. - Here's some other things to watch.

You link to "The Instigators" movie starring Matt Damon and Casey Affleck, not Ben, right?

That's his brother, right, Bobby Suey? - That's his brother. - Yeah, this looks good.

And then I just got a notification on my iPhone just the other day that finally, the "Bad Monkey" series with Vince Vaughn is apparently available.

I was actually texting my wife this morning once I read your stories here, Jeff.

I'm like, "Hey, I've got two more shows for us to watch when we can get on the couch again together."

And I'm looking forward to it.

Good stuff coming out. - Yeah, I haven't seen any of the reviews of "Bad Monkey" yet but hopefully it's good because that looks like it's got a lot of promise. - Oh yeah. - Not only is Vince Vaughn funny, but of course it's done by, what's his name?

Bill Lawrence, the guy who did "Ted Lasso," which we were talking about. - "Ted Lasso," right. - And also did "Scrubs" and many other successful shows.

So at least it's got the ingredients that it could be a good show.

The one that you mentioned a second ago, "The Instigators," it was a fun little comedy, like a heist.

I mean, it was- - Oh, you watched it already, right? - Oh, I watched it.

Yeah, no, I was looking for something to watch last weekend on my Apple Vision Pro, not that it's 3D or anything like that.

And, but I made the movie really big, like I was in a movie theater and it was a fun little popcorn movie type thing.

You just have fun watching that.

I totally enjoyed it.

It was silly. - Nice. - But the stuff coming out this fall, I mean, there's some great, great stuff.

I mean, "Slow Horses," season four.

You and I both love "Slow Horses."

That's just, that's got so many great reviews.

I cannot wait to season four.

"Wolves," which we talked about.

I think we talked about that recently with George Clooney and Brad Pitt.

Because Apple decided to really come, they're gonna have a very limited theatrical release and then go straight to the TV for that.

The shrinking, like "Silo."

"Silo" is the big, did you get into "Silo" yet?

Yeah, such a great sci-fi show. - I did, I watched them all.

Yeah, I like it. - We've talked about this in the past, if you enjoy sci-fi, Apple TV+ is just hitting it out of the park.

And "Silo" is one of their many good shows.

I really look forward to season two.

I know it's based upon a book, so the books are supposed to be good reviews.

So I'm sure they've got some good source material.

Hopefully that means that season two will, in fact, if I remember, I don't wanna give any spoilers, but there was something that happened at the end of season one that literally opened the door to a whole bunch of other stuff. - Literally.

Oh yeah, I remember.

I hated the cliffhanger. - Exactly, it was definitely a cliffhanger.

So I look forward to finding out what that's gonna be for season two.

That one starts up November 15th, so we still have a little bit more to wait for that one.

But some new shows coming out too.

So Apple's got some great stuff on the plate.

And I mean, it's funny because it used to be, we say this all the time, HBO used to be the one that like every Sunday night, there would be something on HBO.

And there was for me recently, I was watching "House of the Dragon," which I totally loved "House of the Dragon."

I thought that their most recent season was fantastic.

And I watched the last episode a week or two ago.

And then I'm like, what's next?

And I don't know what's next on HBO, but Apple TV+ has got me covered with good stuff coming out every week. - In addition to all of those things coming out in a couple of weeks, everybody knows that the Olympics, the traditional Olympics is over.

But in a couple of weeks, the Paralympics are going to be in Paris.

And I gotta tell you, this little video you linked to called the relay, I watched the entire thing.

And first of all, it was so inspirational.

And second of all, I'm like, I have no excuse to ever get out and like go walking or running or some kind of an exercise because it's just a great little video.

Thanks for linking to that today. - Yeah, it reminds you that anybody can get out there as long as you try.

Quote unquote, you know, limitations, whether you're missing a limb or something else, you can still get out there and compete. - Incredible.

And it's fun to see the use of the Apple technology in the video. - Yeah. - It is, you know, and yet it doesn't come across as too much of a, you know, patting themselves in the back.

I mean, I really get the sense that these are- - Just a little bit, but it's still good. - Athletes that are competing.

There's a little bit of that for sure.

But yeah, it's a short little video.

I think it's worth watching.

It was good. - Even, I'll tell you one of the things that stuck out at me, one of the athletes, I don't think for his, that he couldn't see quite as well.

I think that was what he was dealing with.

But when he got up, he checked his Apple watch to see how much sleep time, or he was looking at the Apple phone as well, which is again, something that I do every morning now.

My wife and I both do this every morning.

She has to charge her watch a little bit, 'cause she doesn't have the ultra yet.

But it's like, we compare that because it is good to kind of have that information, which I just think is really good.

Good stuff there.

In the know, speaking of Apple Watch, here's something that just surprised me.

I have known for a long time that the Apple, any Apple watch, it doesn't have to be the ultra, it can be any Apple watch.

Apple, a long time ago, allowed you to wear it on your left wrist, which I guess is sort of traditional.

That's where I've always worn mine.

Or you can wear it on your right.

But the Apple watch allows you to change the orientation so that you can decide, you can say left wrist or right wrist, so that everything looks the way that it's supposed to look with you.

Now, I don't know how long ago that they allowed this, but not only can you change the watch orientation from left to right wrist, you can also change the orientation of the digital crown button. - That's right. - Now, Jeff, I had always just considered this as like, well, okay, that's only for righties, lefties, right?

It's like, that's the only time you have to worry about it.

Well, earlier this week, my daughter actually does some weightlifting.

And she apparently had always been so frustrated that she wears her watch on her left wrist.

But when you are lifting weights, sometimes your wrist goes all the way back.

And what would happen is that it would hit the digital crown on her Apple watch.

And that would either stop the music or stop the workout or so.

And so she texted our family chat earlier this week, and she's like, guys, I just learned that you can change the orientation of the digital crown.

And in fact, she was so happy that my wife does some of the same, they'll go to the gym together and do weight lift.

And they were both like giggly, like, this is so great.

So they still wear it on their left wrist.

It's just that they turn it around.

So I typically would think that you would have to, you know, take your, reorientate your watch band as well.

But that way, the digital crown is now not in the upper right corner of what most of the time people would be.

The digital crown for them is now in the bottom, I guess, left corner there.

And they even love the fact that they're using their thumb now with a digital crown, as opposed to their finger.

And again, I had known that this was here.

I just never thought to tell them about it because it's like, well, you wear your watch on your left wrist.

You don't need to change the orientation.

But I thought this was great.

And then also I'm glad that they did it because when I do like weed whacking or yard work, I will typically wear gloves, right?

And the glove sits right up underneath my Apple Watch on my left wrist, Jeff, and it does the same thing.

And every once in a while that I'm doing something, it'll hit it.

And I'm like, this is brilliant.

You can either do this in the Apple Watch app on your iPhone, or you can even do it on the Apple Watch itself.

You just go into the settings on the Apple Watch, you go to general and then orientation.

And you'll see at the top, it says wrist orientation.

And then at the bottom, it says digital crown orientation.

So I just wanted people to know that that's available there and they make it so easy.

And to the fact there's even a cool little animation.

It doesn't flip, it like spins it around, you can see it.

And then, you know, it's so easy to change your watch band or switch your watch band if you need to on that.

That it's like, hey, I'm gonna start using this a little bit more.

There are times when I do accidentally hit that digital crown button, and now I can just switch it over to the other side really easy. - Yeah, that's a great tip.

I don't remember how long it's been since Apple offered it.

I don't think it was in the very first generation, but it's been a long time because, you know, I have been talking to people about the use of an Apple Watch for a long time, just 'cause I'm a geek and we tend to, people come up to me and tend to talk about their technology.

And I have encountered, not a lot, but for years now, I have absolutely encountered a select group of people who flip it, just like you described. - Yeah, right. - The two reasons that they tell me, you just mentioned them.

One of them is because, just because of whatever they do with their arm, they happen to hit the Apple Watch.

I could definitely see weightlifting doing that.

And the other one is I've heard people saying either, even independent of that, that they like the idea of using their, like for me, if it's on my left wrist, of using my right hand and my thumb from my right hand to scroll. - The thumb. - They just prefer using the thumb.

And I guess if you just get used to that and that's what you just enjoy doing, why not?

I mean, it's great that you get to choose, which works better for you and which you like better.

So I agree that that's a nice feature.

And then you sort of mentioned, I never even thought about doing it just on an occasional basis, like just because I'm gonna be wearing gloves or something like that. - Right. - That's something to think about that I hadn't even thought about.

So yeah, good tip.

I like that tip. - Yeah, good. - My tip also has to do with the Apple Watch and it is related to the fact that I'm using the Ultra, which is talking about sleep. - Yes. - And then a couple of weeks when we have the new OS, the Vitals.

So I had, because it had been so long since I had used the sleep mode with my Apple Watch, I had to sort of remind myself of how it works.

And there's two ways to use an Apple Watch when you sleep and have it monitored. - Okay. - One way is there's an app called the Sleep app, which you can go to the Sleep app and you can say, I go to bed every night at 11 o'clock or midnight, whatever, and I wake up at such and such a time.

And that'll help you with your watches and it'll give you warnings, like it's almost time to go to bed and stuff like that.

And that works well if you have a pretty regular schedule.

I probably should have a regular schedule.

It's probably better for your health if you do.

I don't, I'm pretty haphazard.

And so for me, instead of using the Sleep app directly, I was using the sort of the manual mode. - Okay. - And the way that works is it's part of the focus modes.

I don't really use focus modes very often on my watch or my phone, but if you are, if I'm looking at the Apple Watch and if I press the side button to go into the focus modes, I can see the little moon icon.

And if I tap on the moon icon, one of the choices that it will give me is sleep.

This, and so once you turn that on, then your watch is in a sleep mode, which means that I'm going, you know, I'm saying now it's time to go to sleep.

So it's starting to count at that point.

While I'm sleeping, if I look at my Apple Watch, the screen will remain black.

You know, it will not turn on, even though I have a watch that otherwise would be on all the time so that it doesn't distract you or whoever you're sleeping with.

But if you want to see what time it is or anything, you just tap the screen.

And what you end up seeing is a display that's very much like the night's, what is that mode when you put your Apple Watch next to your bed and it's a- - More like a standby? - Nightstand mode. - Yeah, nightstand, right, right. - So it just basically shows you the time and stuff like that.

And so that's what you have throughout the night.

And then when it's time to wake up in the morning, this one, you actually have to do like a little trick.

You know, first you have to hold down the digital crown and you'll watch the timer.

You have to hold it down for like a couple of seconds. - That's right, that's right. - And then you need to press the side button to go to the control center and then you turn off sleep.

So it's a couple of steps.

I actually don't think that's a bad thing because it makes sure that you're awake enough to actually do a couple of steps. (laughing) By the time you go through those steps, you are awake.

You're not gonna fall back asleep again.

So if you manually turn off, so that's how you get into the sleep mode.

So then the next question becomes, okay, so I'm going through the trouble of doing this.

Why, why am I using the sleep mode?

And this is the thing that got me, this was the stopping point that I hit years ago when I last tried this.

I last tried it with one of my earlier Apple watches.

I would charge it before I went to bed.

I would use the sleep mode.

And then over time, I would look at the statistics, which you can look at to a certain degree on your watch, but certainly on the phone.

And it will say, you know, your average sleep over the last week has been this and this many hours.

And it'll show where you think you had the REM sleep and you know, all sorts of statistics, but it's really just a bunch of numbers.

And the problem that I had with the sleep function in the past is I'm like, what do I do with these numbers?

I mean, I guess if I, I could try to draw some connections, but I just didn't see a ton of value of it.

Now, this is what Apple is going to address in just a few weeks in watchOS 11, where they have this new feature called Vitals.

And what the Vitals feature does is it takes that same information.

And one of the things it does is it actually gives you some context for it.

So for example, it knows that your average heart rate rises with such and such, and it will then go to the next step and say, hey, by the way, this is above average, or this is below average, or this is something to think about.

And it will help you draw connections between different things that you were doing during the day, maybe different medications you're taking, different, you know, things that you're eating.

But it's my understanding is the Vitals app, it's one of the many things it's going to do is put some context into the sleep information so that you actually know what to do with it and how it might affect your day.

So I look forward to trying that.

And so that's why whatever watch I end up with, you know, later this year, whether it's an ultra or not, you'll want to probably get back into the mode of using sleep mode.

I will tell you that even independent from all of this sleep mode stuff, I actually really like having a watch on when I sleep at night, because I like the fact that if I happen to wake up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom or something like that, that you can, it's just nice to sort of look down and you can see the time.

And I mean, sometimes, I mean, this is probably not the healthiest thing to do, but I might even want to jump in my email or just see what's there.

I don't know, but it's nice just being able to do all that.

And I know that my iPhone is right there on my bed stand, but by the time I take it off and open it up and look, it's way too much. - Too bright and everything, right. - Yeah, I really like the watch.

Plus, as I mentioned that fast, I love waking up with the Apple Watch because it can wake you up through tapping as opposed to some noises. - I love that. - So I really do like, hey, sleeping.

Yeah, hey, hey.

I really do like sleeping with the watch even though the sleep mode is of limited usefulness now, it's gonna get better with Vitals, one hopes.

And certainly if you have an Apple Watch Ultra and you've got the space for it.

So this might be the time that even if you have used and then discarded the sleep mode in the past, maybe with the upcoming Vitals feature, this is the time to use it again.

So I had to sort of remind myself of how it all works. - Now, Jeff, do you go into the health app on your phone and track anything or look around anything there to get some numbers from your Apple Watch?

That's typically how I do that.

Like everything that you've talked about, I do that.

But I just wonder if any of that makes more sense.

Well, we can talk about that next time maybe on some-- - Yeah, no, I mean, I'm looking at it now, but it tells-- - Yeah. - I mean, it tells me my average sleep, but your heart rate range from such and such to such and such, but it doesn't really, I mean, right now it's saying that my heart rate range from 40 to 69 beats per minute.

Is that good?

Is that bad?

Am I alive?

Am I dead?

I don't know. (laughing) So, and likewise, it tells me that-- - Gotcha, okay. - Here's how my breathing ranged while I was sleeping.

Well, those are interesting numbers I'm looking at.

Are they good numbers?

Are they bad numbers?

I have no idea. - Okay, well said, yeah.

That's right, that's right. - That's my problem with it. - You're right.

Sometimes I go in here and I think Apple does an excellent job in the health app of explaining some of this, but there's been a couple of times that I've had to go like as deep as I possibly can to really understand what it is that they're looking at.

But you're right, I think this Vitals app, I know both of us are excited about the Vitals app.

And it sounds, again, to me this makes no, this is no surprise at all.

This is exactly where Apple is going sort of in just providing more information about the health.

And I mean, really just having the information is just so amazing.

I think I shared this with you a couple of weeks ago.

I was getting ready to go into the, you know, for a procedure at the hospital and I had my pre-anesthesia call and she's like, do you wear an Apple watch?

I'm like, why are you asking that?

She's like, well, I would like to know your average health, your average heart rate.

I'm like, really?

Like, cause we were doing it over a Zoom call, right?

I didn't go in and I'm like, that's how you're tracking it?

Like, I just think that that's so great and it's just gonna continue to get better.

I just love that.

Well, Jeff, thank you, man.

This was so fun.

I knew this was gonna be fun getting back after a little bit.

And I know we'll have more to talk about next week.

We'll see if you still have the Apple watch Ultra 2 or not.

Everybody stay tuned.

We'll talk with you next week, Jeff. - Thanks, Brent.