Welcome to In The News for April the 11th, 2025. I am Brett Burney from appsinlaw.com.

And this is Jeff Richardson from iPhoneJD. Hey, Brett, we're no longer in Chicago together, huh?

It's not. We're not in Chicago anymore. I'm so, I'm kind of disappointed. I mean,

we had such a great time last week. It was great to see you and to interact with you. And then we

course, we recorded our podcast last Friday in the exhibit hall of the ABA Tech Show conference.

And that was a fun, we had special guests, we had puppies. That was great. But now we're kind of

back to our own, Hans. Well, you're back home. I'm in Texas visiting family, which has been great.

But boy, the news has not stopped. We're going to even go to like a higher level of news today.

We are not political commentators. We never should be. But this is, I feel like this week is where

some of the technology issues and gadgets that we hold so dear, Jeff, have collided with some

politics in there. So we really can't avoid it too much. But at least let's maybe walk through

some folks about some of the things that have been going on starting with apparently an airlift of

billions, millions of phones, maybe not that many from China to India, maybe to avoid some tariffs.

Yeah. I mean, Apple is smart. Apple CEO Tim Cook, before he was the CEO, was the person that was

in charge of basically making sure that the iPhones got made correctly, that he was the

founder of the Just In Time. Get parts exactly when you need them so that you could use them when

you need them and all that sort of stuff. Well, they've had to put those traditional things that

have made Apple so successful on the side burner because of the uncertainty that I mean,

the entire market's facing it, obviously. But I think that Apple is particularly prone to it because

so much of their stuff is made specifically in China, but also elsewhere. And so the reports

where that Apple had airlifted, this is just from India, they had airlifted 600 tons of iPhones.

And when you see that number at first, you're like, oh my goodness, that sounds like that is tons of

iPhones. But as this one report that we had in here said, it maybe is not even two weeks of iPhones,

especially since so many people have been purchasing iPhones and other Apple products lately

because of the legitimate fears that the prices are about to go way, way up. And so nobody knows

what's going to happen. Apple is, on the one hand, they do have some margins on these iPhones,

they could cut into that a little bit perhaps, but they're obviously not going to want to do that

too much. I mean, I think it's inevitable that unless things change, and of course the irony is

that things are changing every hour right now. But unless we could somehow go back to sanity again,

iPhones are going to be a lot more expensive, a lot more expensive because so many of them

are made in China. So it's just, it's a crazy situation. This story that you link to,

they really did the calculations here. Where were they saying the package weight of an iPhone 14,

they said 350 grams. So 600 tons would be about 1.5 million iPhones.

After accounting for a little bit of packaging and weight. And I like this, you link to another

story from John Gruber, Darian Fireball. One of those questions like how many new iPhones can fit

on a freight plane. And that's where he's saying, talking about that he goes, it's a whopping 12

days of sales at most. So when that's done, what are we going to do at that point? And you know,

obviously depending on which side of the spectrum that you kind of fall on, there's a lot of different

options and, and I like comments that people have made on this. But at the bottom line,

it's going to affect it somehow some way. If there is logic to this, and there's not,

but if there was the idea is, well, let's, you know, make, you know, America great again,

because we're going to have everything manufactured in the United States. But the problem is,

you can't just flip a switch and say start to make iPhones in the United States. We don't have

the manufacturing capability. We don't have the people trained. I mean, you literally could not

do this. And Apple has tried, you know, in history, Apple way back when they tried to make the Mac

in the United States. When Steve Jobs was in charge of Next, they tried to make those in the

United States. Apple has opened up a plant in Austin to try to do just a very, you know, limited

run of the Mac pros and stuff like that. They've done it, but we just don't have the resources.

We don't have the training. We don't have the workforce. Now give us 10 years. And you know,

if the government wants to put money into encouraging people to learn these skills

and to establish centers, I mean, the thing about China is that all the industries that you need

are right there in the same city. So you can move from one, you know, we don't have that in America.

So yeah, you could, you know, give it 10 years and we could eventually get there. But of course,

the irony is that these jobs and again, nobody should have a bad job. But I mean, these jobs,

they're very difficult jobs using your hands and these parts. A lot of Americans are not going to

want these jobs. And so I think it's, I think the whole thing is a pipe dream. There's it's

never going to happen. And so, but you know, since sanity is not apparently important right now,

this is what's going to happen and the prices are going to go up. And I don't know if you

noticed this, Brett, but I dropped into the show notes just as we started to record, you know,

Anchor is another company that we know very well. Very great products. Anchor is made in China and

Anchor has some sub companies like Ufi and stuff like that. And you know, I literally have next

to you right now this Anchor charger, which I've been such a big fan of because it's saved us last

week. We used it and we recorded last week. It's got tons of battery power. It's got the

the cord on the side. So you could just plug right in. It's got another one, you know, over here.

This thing's great. This is an Anchor product that you could get for as low as $88, $89 on Amazon,

not anymore. If all the prices are going up just before we started recording, it was up to 110 and

it might be going up even more. And that's this one. I have another Anchor product in front of

me. That's my three and one holder, you know, cords. And you know, this is just one example,

so much of what we buy, especially in the electronic space, which is sort of what we talk

about here. You know, it's coming from China or it's coming from other countries that may not

have as big of tariffs for now, although that could change by the time we finish recording this

podcast. It's just crazy. And so it's going to have all these spillover effects, right? People,

notwithstanding the people, the fact that last weekend a bunch of people were rushing to buy

iPhones, if prices go up, it's going to have spillover effects. People are going to delay

purchases. What is Apple going to do when they come out with the new models this fall? Are they

going to have to raise the prices? Are people going to put off purchases? Is that going to have

side-off effects? You know, and there's all these effects, you know, again, I'm not an economist,

but you know, it doesn't take anyone to look at the state of the economy today. And I'm trying not

to look at my 401K right now because it's not very happy. Yeah, same. It's a mess of a situation.

And I don't know what the result is going to be. So, you know, maybe wouldn't it be nice if

it's been two weeks, everybody could sort of shake hands and say, okay, let's just go back to the

way things were. Right. But until that happens, I'm glad, I mean, we're not being paid the big

bucks at Apple right now, but there are very smart people at Apple that I'm sure are just

pulling their hair out trying to decide what to do because you can't account for uncertainty.

And I don't understand how anybody thinks no matter what part of the political structure

that you're on, uncertainty is good for the economy or just for our subsection, you know,

Apple mobile products and stuff like that. So, it's a mess and it's a big story and you can't

avoid it. So, we'll see where we are next week. But what a creative approach here. Like, let's just

load a bunch into a freight plane and send it over to a different country. I feel like it's like a

mission impossible storyline or something like that. You know, Tom Cruise is probably flying

the plane at some point and they're just crazy stuff. I mean, just to talk about that, you know,

there's a shell game, right? One of the things that they've speculated is that iPhones are made

around the world, right? So, like, there are iPhones made in Brazil for the Brazilian market.

But they've even said that, you know, maybe what they'll do is if the tariffs in Brazil are lower,

maybe the Brazilian iPhones will go to the US and the Chinese iPhones will go to Brazil,

which seems backwards. But, you know, maybe that's, you know, and not that that would solve it, but

it would at least ameliorate some of the cost, you know, the price increase wouldn't be quite as

much. It's crazy. Yeah, this is good. Like, that's some of what you're talking about with Dan's

-- Jason Snell talked about here in the Macworld column is that playing a shell game on some of

this. Ooh, interesting stuff. Okay, how about another little bit of an angle on the political

aspect? But we'll talk about the iPhone component of this. This was several weeks ago. We never

talked about this, but this was the -- I forget his name. It was a signal --

Oh, National Security Advisor Mike Walts, inadvertently, apparently, and I believe inadvertently,

automatically added the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic Magazine to a very

confidential and secure private group on a signal app. They were communicating with various folks.

You can probably do a better job of explaining this. Most everybody has heard about this story

and what happened. But we got a little bit more information as to how it happened. And this is

what I was asking, of course, was we're a little bit on the nerdy spectrum, right, Jeff? And it's

like, I'm like, okay, I know -- I believe that he didn't actually purposely add Jeffrey Goldberg,

the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic Magazine. But then how did it happen? Like, there has to be

some logic from the technical side. And this story you'll link to from TechCrunch at least

explains a little bit of that, I think. Yeah, so we've probably all seen before on your iPhone

or your iPad is that it will see a contact, like maybe when you're looking at an email or something

like that, and it will offer to update the contact automatically and that sort of stuff. And I do that

somewhat frequently, and it will pull someone's phone number off of the signature block or something

like that. However, it's not perfect, right? And so in this case, there was a situation in the past

where when Mike Walts had was looking at some emails, apparently there had been an email chain

in which the journalist had been on it. Jeffrey Goldberg was on the chain, but it basically

picked up his number and mistakenly said, do you want to add this to the contact entry for somebody

else? Brian Hughes, who at the time was in the private sector, but now is a Trump spokesman.

So as a result, a while ago, who knows how long ago, he had added the journalist phone number to

somebody that's now working in the Trump administration. And so as a result, when he went

to go add him to the signal conversation, thinking he was just adding him at his regular phone number,

little did he know that he wasn't adding that guy's phone number, but instead the journalist's

phone number. And the next thing you know, the journalist is part of the conversation. Now,

the thing is, signal has some things that make it private so that you and I could have a private

conversation. But you and I are not discussing the military secrets of how do you bomb Yemen and

we're about to do so. I mean, obviously, military secrets are not supposed to be discussed over

consumer techniques specifically because I don't I mean, I've never been in the military, but I

can only imagine that the tools that they use to communicate with each other don't interface with

the iPhone and iPad such that auto suggestion of emails would even be an issue. But when you take

communications and you bring them so but there's a lesson for all of us here, you know, even aside

from whether or not they should not have been using signal, which is obvious. But all of us

have seen in the past and we'll see in the future, especially as AI becomes a more of a big thing,

attempts from our devices to be helpful to us. And you just need to pause and watch it. Because

if you accidentally add a phone number for one person to another person's contacts, any of us

could easily get into a situation, whether you were using signal or whether we're texting or

something else, where you accidentally think you're sending it to person A and instead you're

sending it to person B. So that's that's the lesson here that I think that we can all take from it.

It's interesting that. Do you do you think I'm I'm trying to think figure this out. Was that

just a message that popped up, Jeff, and like you would have just inadvertently like said yes or

okay. Yeah, exactly. You want to like pass the little the dialogue box. Okay, that's what I was

thinking. And he probably thought he was doing the right thing. Oh, I'm adding his cell phone to

his contact entry. That right. But he was adding somebody else's cell phone to the contact entry

without realizing it. So I don't know why we've taken this long to explain it from the technical

side because Mike Walt apparently had the best explanation of this. He said that Goldberg's

number was sucked in from another contact. In a way he's right. Why do we need to bother with

the technical aspects? That's what happened. It was sucked in. Okay, okay, very good. Something

definitely sucked here. No question about that. Gotcha. All right. One more story that I feel like

you know has the potential to like, you know, trample a little bit on some political areas. But

there's several angles here, I think from from your aspect and my aspect that's a little troubling.

Apparently, there was a lawyer that was detained at the Detroit airport when he was he and his

family were coming back from spring break. And he was detained. And really, the pieces that I got

out of this was was disturbing that number one, the federal agents were asking for his iPhone

apparently that that's what he had, right was an iPhone. He didn't want to give it up. He didn't

want the agents, the federal agents to look in the phone because he's a lawyer. And so he's got

many different clients that he's representing no matter which client that they were looking for.

And so that was a little nerve wracking at some point. It looks like in the story that he did

let them view the contact list of his phone. But he was pretty stringent about not allowing them

just to take the phone and to take information, which again, he's a lawyer, he's got many people

that he represents. And that just is a little nerve wracking for me to read this story, Jeff.

Yeah. You know, this has been an issue. This predates the Trump administration to be fair.

True. Right. US customs for many years now has become very aggressive on, you know, if we think

that you're not the right person. I mean, again, I'm a white male, they're probably not going to

stop me. But if there's something about the color of your skin or the cut of your jab or whatever

it is that they don't think that they like, they will tuck you aside and they will demand

if you have a mobile device, I would like to see your mobile device. And please unlock it for

me so I can make a copy of it so that I can do whatever I want with it. And if you're a private

citizen, you don't really have a lot of defenses to this, unfortunately. Now, and let me pause by

saying that to the extent that I'm giving advice here, I don't really, I don't know all the facts.

I've tried to research this. In fact, even before we recorded, I was looking for the latest reports

on the EFF website because the Electronic Frontier Foundation has been trying to offer some advice

on this, but they don't really have good advice right now either. But I can say this for the lawyers,

you know, or anyone else that has something that's particularly sensitive. If you're a doctor,

I'm sure it's the same with HIPAA type situations. If customs wants to access your device and they

want to look at it and you say no, they're going to take you aside to the interrogation room just

like to this gentleman. And there's a limit to what you can do. If you say that you're an attorney,

you have confidential information on there that you can't just expose it to a third party without

violating the attorney-client privilege and work product doctrines and stuff, they are supposed

to escalate it to the next level so that they would bring in someone that's more of an attorney

as opposed to just, you know, a routine agent that's working at the border. And you basically

need to work it out is how I understand it. And the way that this attorney, who he clearly had a

sense that, you know, he was smart enough going into this that he knew a little bit about what his

rights were, but also how far he'd go. So he decided to cut this agreement of sharing his contacts.

Now, that makes me uncomfortable because I have a lot of people that are in my contacts,

first of all, and again, I don't represent, you know, terrorists or anything else like that.

But the simple fact that I represent certain people, that is confidential. And second of all,

their contact information is, you know, I don't know if it's privileged, but it's certainly not

something that they would want to be shared with the world. And they would feel violated if I did so.

Because it's a very difficult situation. So he made the decision to give them contacts,

and that was enough for them to let him go. And that's fine. But this has been a problem for a

while of if you leave the country and you come back in, and if you do get stopped, what do you do?

Now, you know, one of the we've talked to years ago, Brett, that one thing you can do is if you

don't want them to have access to your passwords, the one password app and perhaps some of its

competitors have this as well. But one password actually has a function that you can basically,

you know, click a button, and it erases all the passwords from your phone completely.

And then after you come through customs, because they're stored securely on the one password

server, they can then download it. But during that period of time that you're in customs,

you literally had, even if you unlocked one password, there's literally no passwords in there,

or you can have an exception, like just these three entries are there and nothing else. So

that's like a little thing that you can do just on passwords to try to stop them from doing that.

But keep in mind that what they want to do is they want to take your phone,

they put it through one of those machines that copies all of it, and then they decide later,

you know, they can take their time reading through your emails, reading through your text messages,

your contacts and stuff. So you just need to decide what you're going to do in that situation.

And so now what's troubling now is, you know, again, because of current policies, you know,

all this attorney did was represent somebody who had been arrested, which is something that

attorneys do all the time. Somebody was protesting on a college campus and got arrested. So they

wanted an attorney, he represented them and gave some advice. And I guess the fact that he represented

somebody put him on the government's list of bad people, which as an attorney, it just turns

my stomach that that's true. But so now we have to be careful who represent. And, you know, he

figured out what was going on. And so this can happen. I mean, I'm thinking through my head

right now, Brett, I don't think I have represented people that have been protesters. I'd have to

think about that, though. I mean, it's not really my area of business. But if you're like a solo

attorney that has, you know, more of a, you know, practice where you take in whatever people come

into you, I mean, of course, you're going to represent people that are arrested. I mean,

DWI attorneys, everybody, they've represented, but you know, those sorts of things. And so

for certain types of practice, and you know who you are if you're listening to this, you know,

just be creative and think about whether you might end up on one of these lists. And even if you

don't think you will, I encourage people to think through this so that should it happen to you if

you leave the country and you come back, at least you've thought about what are my options, what do

I think is right for me? I can't I wish I could say this is the Jeff Richardson advice on what to

do. I don't know. I really don't know. Right. But the next time I travel internationally, I'm going

to have a very, especially if it's during the next four years, I'm going to have a very,

I'm going to have to think about it so that I have a plan. It's a tough situation.

Can I just ask real quick, and again, this is not legal advice from either of us, but Jeff,

one of the there was once upon a time that I remember there seemed like there were some cases

that you don't have a right to privacy. And this is a little bit different. You don't have a right

to privacy for like your your thumbprint or your face ID. So one of the things that I always tell

people is make sure that like if you're getting your phone out of your pocket, like you click the

side button five times really quickly, and then that will require you to use a passcode. Because I

do remember there have at least been some case, and I don't know the current case law on this,

that they can't force you to give up your passcode. Now, obviously, if you're sitting inside of an

interrogation room with federal agents facing you, telling you that you must unlock this phone,

that might have to be a decision that you make on how far that you want to take that.

But at least then they can't just hold the phone up to your face and unlock it if it's at least

requiring a passcode. Now that's that wouldn't I don't think I've resolved the issue here. It just

that goes through my head a lot of times on this because I just tell people don't forget,

especially if you're traveling, like maybe just turn off the face ID or the touch ID.

That's a simple thing. For at least for now, because they, you know, then they can't at

least force it to some extent. Again, I'm not saying that this isn't always going to be, but

then you would have to at least put in the passcode. And at least some courts have ruled that you do

have a right to privacy for some passcodes and passwords. They can't make that up. But

your biometric features, you don't necessarily have that same right. Yeah, I'm so glad that you

mentioned that because that's exactly right. I mean, anytime you're going to go through a situation

like this, you know, where you're just afraid that somebody might, you know, don't have to be

crossing a border, you know, just any situation, right? I mean, the simple solution is to turn

your iPhone off because Apple has protections in there so that when you first boot up an iPhone

for sure, you know, it's going to require absolutely require the passcode, you know,

you're not going to be able to break into it. But they're alternatives, like you said, like,

you know, pressing the button enough times to get into that mode. But I mean, the full, the

way to do it that you know you're not going to be in a problem is just turn it off, turn it off.

And then you can turn it back on when you get to the other side. Good point. And that that is

good advice that I do think is worth giving. Yeah. Can we talk about something a little more fun now?

Oh, absolutely. Please. Okay, how about this? I mean, I think it's good that we needed to

cover some of those things because they have been in the news. But here's a fun little story you

linked to about three tips for using the app. Good notes. Now quickly, good notes. I know Jeff

is one of your favorite probably use us every day, if I could guess, this is your note taking app of

choice on the iPad. I tend to like notability a little bit more. But I'm so glad that you posted

this because no matter which one that you kind of use and some others, I know Bill that we talked

with last week, he still uses a note shelf, which is wow, that's been around for a long time. But

today, most of the time, I recommend either good notes or notability as your note taking app for

the iPad. And here's three nifty little tips if you do use good notes. What I liked about this

article is even as someone who uses the app every day, these three tips are things that I either did

not know about at all, or really hadn't thought about. And now that I've looked at them again,

I'm like, well, I know maybe I want to use these. And so just to go through them quickly, if you

haven't clicked on the link, the first one is called the tape tool, which is a little icon. It's

right up there. I just haven't paid attention to it. But what it does is when you click on it,

it then, as you move with your Apple Pencil or your finger, if you're not using the pencil,

it creates basically some tape. And it's just temporary. And imagine if you had like a post-it

note that you can stick over something and you can write on it if you want, or you can remove it.

And why might you want to do it? I mean, they're giving you the example if you're trying to learn

something. This is the old example that when you're in school, you have one side of the flash

car and the other, and you don't want to see the answer when you look at the question. This is

the way you can have it and you could cover it up and you could lift it again. And again, it's,

I don't know if it's something that I'm going to use very often. And maybe I'll just try it.

You have to have a piece of tape. So it's just a reminder that it's there. The second one is the

timekeeper. Brett, I had completely forgotten that there is right, I don't know how I missed it.

It's right there on the toolbar. It looks like a clock. And if you tap it, it brings up a timer.

And so if you're in a situation where you're talking or somebody else is and you just want to

watch the time, pick, you know, I want to count down six minutes. I want to count down 34 minutes,

whatever it is. And it'll put this nice timer right there in front of you. So you don't have to

switch to some other app or use a different device. It's just right there in front of you.

I completely forgot it was there. And this last one is a good one. It's a quick note. And I've had

this before that sometimes you just want to jot something down super quick. I love that good

notes. You can have, you know, notebooks for different cases or different subjects. I was at

a CLE today before I came here and I was speaking and stuff. But I was, I have a notebook for that

CLE and I had all the notes I was taking were in there. But sometimes it doesn't need to be nice

and neat. You just need to write something as fast as possible. And so as it points to here,

there's a quick note feature and there's two ways to do it. The slower way to do it is to

click the plus button to create a new note and then select quick note. And that'll bring you right

there. But you don't have to create the cover for it. You don't choose a template. It's just a

white sheet of paper and you start writing. That's nice. What's even faster, what's even faster

is if you just double tap on that plus button, that will not only create the note, but it'll

create a quick note. So it's the fastest way, you know, in literally a fraction of a second,

tap, tap, you have a white sheet of paper and you just start writing. I love it. And you can

jot down the phone number or whatever it is, you know, the room, whatever little bit of information

you're trying to jot down as fast as possible, whether it's on your iPhone or your iPad or whatever

you use good notes. So that's one of those tips that I, this one I did know about in the back of

my head, but I'm so glad to be reminded of it because, you know, it's one of those things that

when you need it, you need it right away. So it's good to remember that you can do that. And of

course, you can use the built-in notes app to do things too. There's all sorts of things. But if

you're in a situation where you want to use good notes to sketch things out for some reason,

good, good way to quickly get into a note. So those are awesome tips. I like them.

Let's do a where you at segment. We don't, we don't do these quite as often. I feel like

now we've heard and reported on the Apple watch saving people from AFib with the heart issues or,

you know, heart palpitations. But oh my goodness, I did not think the Apple watch could help save

someone's life or at least alert them to blood cancer. This was amazing. I've been using, this is

part of the vitals app, right? And I've been using the vitals app, which is, you know, use it with

the Apple watch and stuff like that. And so far, it really hasn't told me anything interesting.

But you know, whatever it's tracking me, who knows. But what it did for this woman is it told her

that her resting heart rates, which for her had usually been about 55 beats per minute,

had suddenly increased into the 90s. And she has a background. She's a psychiatrist, but she has

some medical training. And, you know, we think she would know some of this stuff. And she's like,

well, that's really weird. And when she got this alert, she talked to her husband and she says,

well, maybe we should go check it out. And it turned out that, you know, what I expected the

story to be is that she had like a heart condition or something. No, it was a rare form of cancer

that was triggered. And they said, if you had not gotten here immediately, you know,

you would have been a gone pecan. Now, she's now going through chemotherapy. And, you know,

she certainly has a rough road ahead of her. Nobody wants to have cancer. But like,

the best thing is not to have cancer. But the second best thing is to get an early enough

diagnosis that maybe you could start to do something about it. And so she said, there's a

lifesaver for her. And, you know, normally we don't hear about the Apple Watch doing something

vis-a-vis cancer. But I guess this is an example, you know, this rare type of blood cancer where

she was thrilled to get that early alert. So that was, it was like she says, yeah, go ahead.

She said, hand on heart. If it wasn't for my smart watch constantly nagging me,

I wouldn't have even noticed something was wrong. That's really cool. I'm just glad.

Another story I remember reporting on this story when I looked at this link that you sent,

Jeff. I don't remember exactly how long ago. Well, it was like, it was like, apparently July

2020, 2024. It was somebody in Australia, a guy, a gentleman got pulled out into the surf

in the water and he couldn't swim back. He didn't have his phone with him, but he did have his Apple

Watch and he actually called emergency services who came and picked him up via helicopter,

which was amazing. I remember talking about that and today your video, this is such a good story

that Apple actually created, or recreated it, I guess. I don't even know if this is the actual

gentleman in this video here, but they recreated Rick's rescue that you can now watch it as it was

recreated by Apple. Yeah, I'm assuming it's the same person, but if it is, that's pretty traumatic

for him to have to, albeit in a simulation. That's what I was thinking. But what is real is the

noise, the sound portion of this video is from his actual, I say 911, I don't know if the numbers

are 911 in Australia or if they're different numbers, but whatever, it's his emergency SOS call

from his Apple Watch to the authorities. And the thing about this guy is he explained that

he was 49 years old, he's in good health, he likes to body surf, he knows what he's doing,

and he was smart enough that as he could feel himself getting swept out, he knew things like,

don't panic, don't lose your cool, preserve, he knew what to do. And yet at the same time,

he could see himself getting pulled further and further and further away. And his wife,

who had been on the beach with him, had gone off to do something else, so she wasn't there to see

him go away. And he's like, what am I going to do? And then, like you said, Brett, he realizes,

wait a minute, I've got a cellular Apple Watch. And so he was able to trigger it and get to emergency

help. And what's with the video that Apple shared doesn't relate, but the stories that were written

at the time do, is that he was actually on the phone, I say on the phone, on the watch, on the phone,

for an hour. So he's in the middle of nowhere. Wow. These violent waters around him, he's trying

to tread water and keep alive and keep his wits about him. And for an hour, he had to talk to

the emergency services, they had to figure out where he was, he didn't really have a, I mean,

he could tell them where he started, but he wasn't sure how far he had been swept away. And then

eventually they were able to get the helicopter to him and save him. So, you know, a desperate

situation, but nice to have. And that's the thing, you know, I have the cellular version of the Apple

Watch and I don't use it very often. Sometimes I might go out for, you know, a jog outside and I

don't want to take my iPhone with me. And it's nice to just have the Apple Watch and listen

to something on there. And, you know, if I needed to get in touch with somebody, I could.

But it's not often, but part of the reason that I keep the cellular thing, it's just a sort of

a protective thing. You know, just in case I ever need it. My son has an Apple Watch and he doesn't

have it. But my daughter does because she does a lot of traveling because she's on basketball

team and stuff like that. And I'm like, if your iPhone's dead or something like that,

yeah, yeah, happens. Just in case. You know, teenagers and iPhones. This is the backup.

She has the Apple Watch. She could get in touch with us if she needs to. It's got the cellular.

I figured it was worth it. So stories like this. I mean, again, we know that they're great

promotional pieces for Apple. You know, they want people to get the get an Apple Watch and pay for

the cell service and everything else. But but this guy is certainly happy that he did it because

he would have been. And this is another story of someone that literally would be dead, you know,

but for the Apple Watch. So my goodness, I hope they gave him a free additional Apple Watch.

If they did have to put it back in the water, like you said, how traumatic that that would be.

In the vision. Let's talk about the Apple vision. And the reason that I would like to talk about the

vision pro is because my good friend, Jeff Richardson, that I saw last week allowed me for the first

time to put on a vision pro. And I think it was maybe an hour and a half later that I took it off.

I am so thankful and I had so much fun going through all of the content. And we could talk

a little bit more about this. But the reason that we're bringing it up on this is because

we were you, I believe, were using the guest user mode for the vision pro on your iPad or maybe

you're on your iPhone at first. I couldn't really see all the way through. I was actually using it

on my iPhone. Okay, okay. This is it right here. You were watching. Yeah, you were able to direct

me around like you could almost see a lot of what I was seeing in the vision pro so that you could

tell me like where to pinch and where to pull and all this other stuff. That was just I mean,

well, we can get to some of the content in a moment. But just the ability for you to like

walk me through and direct me was so cool. I mean, it was just that made it so much easier.

And frankly, you only had to do it for a little bit, right? Because again, just like anything else,

it was sort of intuitive in the way that it worked out. But just having you guide me through was great.

Yeah, and it's really nice. And I thought it would be better to do it on the iPad because it's a

bigger screen. But the way that this app works is you can only have one connected at a time. So it's

either your iPhone connected to your iPad and I just happened to have an iPhone connected.

But it actually worked fine. I mean, on my iPhone screen, I mean, all I really needed to see was

like, okay, I can see what you're doing now. Here's the app. I could tell you something like

swipe from the left to the right. And you know, and this gets in so it works really well. And it's

so much better than it used to be before. So this is a great way to guide it. Now, there's still an

issue that when you're watching a video with copy protection, which is just about all of the videos,

it won't show it on the vision pro. Yeah, you're connected because it doesn't want you to be able

to like screen, you know, record the screen, which I don't even understand because who's gonna

record the screen on my phone. It's not going to be high quality, but anyway, regardless. So I knew

that going in. So every time that you were about to start a video, I just disconnected my phone.

But in the old days, if I had done that, I was forever gone. And then whenever you were done with

the video and I could see that you were like looking around again, I could just reconnect it.

And in fact, when I did that, I don't think he even told you. I mean, you tell me that I was

disconnecting or connecting. I don't know if you saw any alerts on that. You may have seen like a

green dot at the very top. But so I was able to sort of guide you through the process. And it

works really well. So if you have a friend that has a vision pro, once they've updated to the new

system, it can guide you to share it with you. So then to the next point, it was fun for me because

the vision pro has been out for, you know, just about a year now. But it was the first time that

you had used it, Brett. And I know that you're a more tech savvy person. But the first thing I'm

going to say is I could tell from watching you that the interface, even though it was a completely

different interface, you've never used that type of interface before with your eyes and pinching

your fingers and stuff like that. Yeah. I mean, I think it took you, it seemed to me that it took

you about 30 seconds to figure it out. Yeah, at most. And again, some of that was because, you

know, we've talked about this quite a bit and kind of I sort of kind of knew, you know, how to react.

And then you guided me, you know, through the first or I would ask a question and you would

immediately be able to answer like you look at it and you pinch or something like that. But yeah,

within just a few seconds, truly, I feel very comfortable walking over like, okay, oh, I can

see how that works. And then, you know, I remember one of the things that you had to walk me through

was like flipping my hand over, you know, to be able to do that one action. And I just, I don't

know that I would have known that if you hadn't explained that to me. But once you did, it was

like, oh, well, of course, like that makes complete sense on some of that. And that was just great.

And then the content. Jeff, it's like all of these weeks that you and I have been talking about this,

and I keep saying, Jeff would like to have more immersive content. I am on that bandwagon with

you, my friend. Now you understand why that was so amazing. And Frank, again, I know I was that we

were together for like an hour and a half. If me just, you know, with you just watching me walk

around everything, I didn't watch, you know, all of it. But I wanted to do like, I know that

high wire thing, which was just amazing. I mean, I truly felt more than ever have before,

like I was sitting on the edge of a cliff, I could look down, I could look around. Oh,

oh, I remember that the other thing that was even before we get to like the actual content,

your panorama pictures that you had taken, Jeff, that was incredible. Because I think I have stood

on St. Charles Avenue, a couple of places where you had taken those pictures. And, you know, I

always tell people like, when I look at a panorama picture on an iPhone, a flat 2D interface,

it almost looks like it's, what do you call it? It's not concave, but it looks like it's the

opposite of that. It's not quite right on itself. But when you look at that on the Vision Pro,

I could look to my left, I could look 180 degrees, look to my right. It was amazing that I had,

how much that I could see in that panoramic picture there. And you had mentioned that many times,

but boy, until you actually experience it, that was even before we get into like the video content.

Just the panorama pictures, amazing. And just a pause on that, you know, I have had panoramic

photos that I have stitched together for over the years, but I never really understood for

decades now why I was doing it. I mean, for example, I remember in like 2005, 2006, I was at the old

Yankee Stadium in New York and we had really good seats right behind home plate. And so I,

you know, I just used my camera at the time. This was before iPhone, it was just an SLR camera.

I just like snap, snap, snap. I snapped like a whole bunch of pictures. And then I stitched

them together in Photoshop. And the reason I did it was just to try to get the full view.

But when you look at that same picture now in the Vision Pro, it's the way it, it's as if I'm

standing there in the old Yankee Stadium, which doesn't even exist anymore. And you look left,

you look right and up and down. And even though it's a still picture, even though it's not a video,

because you have the autonomy of looking whatever directions you want, essentially,

except all the way up and down, it just brings new life. And so like you say, just that one thing

of that type of photo, when you have a device like this, it's incredible. But anyway, you were

about to say the immersive movies. Okay. The, the highlighting video, that was like one of the

first that came out, like you even have the date here. This is such a great resource you put together

on your site, all of Apple's immersive video content for the Apple Vision Pro.

I wanted to start with that because that came out in February 2nd of 2024. It's a little over a year.

But I remember that that being the specific one that was there original. And it has, it has dated

it very well. I can't believe, I can still close my eyes and see how close I was to whether it's

her name. Faith Dickie as she's going across and even my tummy feel feeling light as she's going

across that highline. That was amazing just there. I did a little bit of the parkour,

but I knew I wanted to get onto some other things. Where was the wildlife? The rhinos.

Just, I felt like they were coming into my chest when they walked up to me. There was the, the

movie. What's, what's that movie? The submarine movie that submerged. That was amazing because I

wanted to see that because I remember Jason Snell and you and others had said, like when they put

that torpedo in, it feels like they're there shoving it through your chest. And yes, I can concur

that is exactly what it felt like. But I think the thing that I enjoyed the most,

I looked a little bit of Alicia Keys and her rehearsal room, the Metallica concert. Oh my

goodness. Like if that's the one, that's the top of list that I would say I wanted to go and

re-experience and re-watch again. I would do that again. It was just so amazing to be so close to

all of those performers, to see them up close and to hear, and there was like little stories. I didn't

go through all of the little stories in there, but that was just amazing. That concert to me,

like give us more of that kind of content. I guess it doesn't have to be, I like the movies

and everything too, but just to watch that stadium and see the fans and interact in just the different

angles, mind-blowing for me. Yeah. In fact, not only do you get to feel like you're sitting right

there on stage next to the drums, like this amazing seat that you could never afford, but when they

put together that video, they even had the camera and you skipped through it a little bit, but did

you see the part where they were walking in through the crowds up to the stage? Oh yes. Oh yes.

You feel like you feel like you're part of the band. I mean, I can only imagine this would be what

it's like to be like a fifth band member or something like that, that's just walking with the

band, with the crowds next to you on both sides, you're feeling the excitement, you're feeling the

energy. I mean, immersive is what it's called. It's immersive video, but it is truly immersive.

And I can only imagine that back in time when people said, oh my goodness, we're going from

black and white television to color. Color is going to be so different. It changes everything

to have color, and it changes everything to have HD and all these other things, but this

leap to immersive, it's like, I almost, I don't even know what they could possibly have beyond

this. Obviously, we want the devices to be smaller and stuff like that, but it is so close to feeling

like you are a hundred percent actually there. And in fact, that leads to, I'll talk about it

right now, because one of the adventure ones that was there that I had a link to this today,

it's called Ice Dive. And what I thought was interesting is there was a podcast that I linked

to where they were interviewing the person that had done this and he got the world record for

going underwater and swimming straight through these icy things without coming out for air.

Oh yes. Right. But what he describes about it is like, this is something that he himself does,

and he spends a lot of his own money to do it. But he says, when I try to describe to people

what I'm doing, they can listen to the description and they can sort of try to imagine what it would

be. He's like, but then if they put on an Apple Vision Pro and like they're underwater with me,

or they're, because cameras were underwater, suddenly they now feel like I understand it.

And that's the way that I feel. Every one of the things that's on this page, I feel like

I have been a part of highlighting because I can remember it. I was right there. I feel like

I have these front stage seats for Metallica because I was there. And the one that you

haven't talked about, Brett, but I think that you did look at some of these, although I forget

which one, sports. Sports is one of those things that you just want to be there. And which, I

can remember now, which sports ones did you look at? Did you look at the soccer and then the NBA?

I did a little bit of the basketball too. Yeah. I mean, it's like incredible. And I know we're

not quite at the point where we can have live sports yet, but that's going to come eventually.

I mean, nobody would want to watch a football game, a basketball game, a soccer game, anything

else. If another way, if you had the option to be immersive, like you were just sitting there

with the best seat in the house, watching it, right there in front of you, it's crisp. It's 100%

realistic. So I'm thrilled that you got a chance to experience it because now you understand. And

again, this is really only one part of the Vision Pro. I mean, this is just the entertainment part

of it, which I totally love. But what you get a chance to try, Brett, is for example, cooking up

your computer to it and having this huge monitor. That's something that you didn't get a chance to

try. I can't wait. Or any of the other things. So it's, I know it's too expensive. I know, blah,

blah, blah. It's too heavy, but it's going to get better over time. Let me end by saying one thing,

because I did my presentation on it at one of my ABA Tech Show presentations on this.

Yes, you did. We as lawyers are always trying to convince the jury, the judge, etc.

And how are you persuasive? You're persuasive through your words, but you're also persuasive

through the demonstrative exhibits that you use. And so we always want to have like a big picture

or a big video, or sometimes you'll have like a day in the life video where, for example, somebody,

you know, dies in an accident and the plaintiff attorney will want to say, you know, let me tell

you about this person. Let's interview their relatives. Let's hear people talk about who they

are to sort of understand what this person's really like. If you have an opportunity, and we're

not quite there today, but we will get there where you could have the judge or the jury

wear an Apple Vision Pro type device and, you know, just experience something, you know, whether

there is a day in the life or maybe they're right there at the accident scene so they can see it

as it happened, or maybe they're just understanding the physics, the dynamics of the situation,

they will understand it in a way that there's no way you could understand it otherwise. In fact,

they're going to understand it so much that opponents that don't have this are going to object

to the judge that this is unduly prejudicial because it's just too realistic for them to

really understand it. And, you know, the response to that is, well, your honor, what could be wrong

with them having a true understanding of what it looks like when you're standing at that street

corner or what it looks like when you're on that ship or whatever it is. So, you know, there's a

price issue. I mean, you can't afford right now unless it's a ridiculously expensive case

to get Apple Vision Pros for all the jury members. But a day is going to come where it's going to be,

you know, you're going to rent them for a day. You're going to use them to, you know,

give them to the jury. And it's going to be, you know, and, you know, that's just the legal

sphere of people and other, you know, I know we've always talked about how doctors use this for

telemedicine and stuff like that. So, I really do think that there is something there with the Vision

Pro. It's a transformative device. We're getting an early peek into the future today.

Anyway, I want to go. You have said that many times, Jeff. And I got to tell you, I know people,

some people are probably saying, goodness gracious, I'm tired of hearing you guys, you know, talk about

the Vision Pro. But until you actually go and experience it, I don't think you could, I will

even say as much as I was on board with it until I experienced it, Jeff, I don't know that I really

truly understood what it's meaning. So anyway, just all that to say is like, go to your Apple Store,

get somebody to sit there with you for 30 minutes and go through the test or frankly,

look up Jeff if you can, because he will do an even better job of doing that. But it was so

fun and I really thank you for that experience on that. Let's do a quick in the show. Just because

we like to talk a little bit about some of the things coming up for the Apple TV Plus. And if

you don't have a subscription to Apple TV Plus, one of the first things that you mentioned today,

Jeff, on this was that you can do, I guess, is Apple trying to get more subscribers? You can get

subscriptions now starting at $2.99 for, I guess, for several months, right? For a few months.

Three months maybe, yeah. Yeah, something like that. And then it'll go to its full price. But

you could watch a lot in three months is all I'm saying. You could. You could.

You could. Before you cancel it on that. And there's a lot of, here's the, right here is the

studio show. We talked about that, I think, a little bit last week or maybe two weeks ago.

Haven't caught up with all the series and the show is going on, but I know the first two or

three were just absolutely fantastic. Yeah. And then today, as we're recording this, the new John

Hamm series called Your Friends and Neighbor, John Hamm, Olivia Munn, Amanda Pete and other people.

Oh, nice. And I've been trying to avoid spoilers. I mean, I know a little bit of what's it about.

I won't say it in case you don't know it. But it looks like it's really good. I mean,

I like John Hamm. I think it's funny. I loved Mad Men and stuff like that. And this reporter,

John Powers from NPR, says that it's a perfect role for him. It says that he's never been better.

Perfect even better than Mad Men? I mean, that's amazing. He's basically saying it's everything

you looked about Don Draper, but it's an even better role and character. So again, I mean,

we'll see what I see. I'm sure I'll watch it tonight or tomorrow. But that's a great one

that's out. There's just so many other ones that are really, really good that are out there.

You had a great link from Jason Snell. Yeah, is that what you're going to go to?

Some of his favorite Apple TV shows and movies on here, which is great.

Yeah. And in fact, on this list, we know that Ted Lasso is coming back for another season.

Severance just ended. Slow Horses. I just saw, I didn't even link to this, but I saw an announcement

this week that the next season of Slow Horses comes out, I think this summer, Brett, I know

you like that show too. What? So that one is coming soon. But of course, there's no surprise there

because they filmed two seasons at once. And so we knew that they had another season ready to go.

And there were some others, I forget that are that are still good. Oh, and then one show is coming

back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The morning show and I mean, I love silo. Silo is fantastic. Oh, yeah.

Like sort of those post apocalyptic and speaking of post apocalyptic, the Murderbot Diaries never

read these books, but I've been looking forward to maybe some of this. The trailer is out and it's

just absolutely hilarious. I was going to ask you to watch it. I did. How did you say it? Like,

it's a it's a sci-fi workplace comedy. It's a genre that you don't see very often. But once you

watch the trailer, you'll understand a little bit more. Yeah, I really like the actor Alexander

Skarsgård from pronounced correctly. You know, he's been in so many fantastic things. And there's

just something about, you know, there's his face right there. There's something about him. Yeah.

Yeah. And it you can tell from the trailer that I guess he's playing a robot like a C3PO from Star

Wars type thing. And I can just only imagine that his deadpan face, which he's so good at, for

example, what was the vampire show that was an HBO True Blood? You know, when he was that vampire

with just that dead, dead face, but it was just so, so good. You know, this, what do you know from

a trailer? Maybe it's just a trailer. But yeah, when I watch that thing afterwards, I'm like,

I am so ready to watch this one. That one's going to be really, really good. That is awesome.

All right. Yeah, the one I think it was the fountain. Yeah.

Would you say real quick that the fountain, which was right. Yeah, it's sort of like a Indiana Jones

type thing. It's coming out on May 23rd. And it stars John Krasinski. I mean, talking about the

office. So good. Yeah. I think it's so funny because I still think of John Krasinski as playing,

you know, his character on The Office where he's like, you know, the, you know, the nerdy guy.

And then, of course, he went on to do the Jack Bryan series on, was that Amazon? I think. Which

was excellent. Love that series. And so to see him as sort of an action star was, yeah, it took me

a second. And then I'm like, oh, I'm totally, I'm totally into this. And then now it's going to be,

it looks like it's a similar type role. It looks like sort of an Indiana Jones-ish type role in

this show called. I didn't watch this trailer. Yeah. So that's good. It looks like it's going

to be fun. He's come a long way from playing a gym in the Pam and Jim. I know. But the Jack

Ryan series. I mean, if you like sort of like Jack Reacher type, you know, you know, the spy thing,

excellent, excellent series on there. I like that a lot. In the know. In the know. This week,

we could just say, what is our favorite tip that we had from Tech Show? And I don't even have a

link to this because I haven't seen many people talk about this, but I'll tell you, I shared this.

So at the end of our ABA Tech Show conference, there's usually a 60 tips in 60, 60 minutes,

which is, which is always fantastic. But so many people share tips throughout the entire show,

right, Jeff? I mean, that's what the great thing about just being able to talk to someone, to other

folks. But one that I did share, and I've had several people ask me about this, is on an iPhone

or an iPad, anytime that you can get to a print dialogue. So for example, if I have an email message

and I want to send that email to something else or save it as a PDF file, I can go to the email

message and I can say print this email or this conversation. And at the bottom of this print

dialogue, because at the top, it'll say what printer you want to go to and all the kind of stuff.

But at the bottom, there's a little print preview image. If you take your thumb and finger and

you spread them apart on that little tiny print preview image, it will automatically generate

that into a PDF file, whatever it may be. It can be a webpage, it can be an email,

wherever you have a print dialogue. And when you have that PDF generated, then you can use the

share box to either email it to somebody or you can upload it to Dropbox or send it out to somewhere.

I use this at least two or three times every week, Jeff, just because there's something I want to

save or I want to, you know, archive somewhere or that I can put it into PDF Expert or something,

so I can annotate it or I want to email it to somebody. I love doing this and I just

tell people about this tip all the time. Anytime you have a print dialogue, open your thumb and

finger, spread them apart on the little print preview image, it creates a PDF and then you can

use the share box to share it around. Great tip. I use it all the time. That's a really good one.

So as I was thinking about, knowing that you were going to share this tip about, you know,

doing that pinch to get it to the PDF, it made me think of this one tip that when I did my session

on iPads and iPhones at Tech Show, I mean, you talked about 60 to 60 minutes, I shared about

a thousand tips in 60 minutes. You did like 180, right. But one of them was, it relates to what you

just talked about and it sort of gets to me because it's been around for so long. I mentioned two weeks

ago that when I was preparing for that session, I actually went all the way back to November of 2008,

one of my very first posts on iPhone JD, which was a list of tips. And when I posted that list,

a lot of people posted comments to it and there was a comment that was posted by someone who

called themselves BG. And it's not this one, it's the one before this one, right. And his comment

was, I then did a follow up post that collected a lot of those comments that people had given me,

are the ones that they had showed me. And so his comment to that original post from November of

2008, it still works today. And it was a very simple one. His comment was that when you're doing the

pinch, you know, the, we do this all the time in the Photos app and Safari and the print dialogue

box, if you're in a situation where you sort of want to adjust it, instead of, you know,

moving both of your fingers, for me, it's typically my thumb and my pointer finger,

he says, keep one finger like your thumb in place and then just move the pointer finger.

And that sounds silly to say, but if you try it, like I noticed that the most when I'm changing,

when I'm looking at photos, especially on an iPad, I want to make it bigger, smaller,

bigger, smaller. If you keep one finger like your thumb in place and you just move a single finger,

you become much more precise in getting it to the precise side. And so this may sound strange.

Nice. I encourage you if you're listening to it, just try this. Try it yourself. Do it the old way

that we all do it. And then try it again by keeping your thumb in place and just moving a single finger.

And you'll be like, wow, I have like a lot more control over getting it to the exact size. So

it's a great tip. But what I love about it is that somebody shared this in 2008. And here we are

over 16 years later. Still are. And it's still a good tip. In fact, it's a better tip today than

it was back then because there's even more things you can do with the iPhone. We didn't even have

an iPad back there, an iPad, an iPhone, all the different ways that you can use this. So I don't

know who BG is. Don't know if he or she is listening here. But Mr. B, Mr. G, if I may call you B for

short, thank you for the tip because it's still a good one all these years later.

That's fantastic. I love it. Always enjoy hearing from readers and listeners as well.

So if you have any questions or want to reach out to us, always feel free to do that. There's

ways to contact us on the in the news podcast. Always thanks for listening. Jeff, thanks again.

Great to see you last week and we'll talk with you next week. Thanks, Brett. Bye-bye, everybody.