Welcome to In The News for May 30th, 2025.

I am Brett Burney from Appsinlaw.com.

And this is Jeff Richardson from iPhoneJD.

End of May, goodness gracious.

Not only is it just the end of May,

which we can celebrate, I guess, to some of us that, you know,

if you can't even believe that it's going to be June tomorrow in two days here,

it's a little bit of a momentous number for us as well.

Most people may not follow the actual number of episodes that we do, Jeff.

they, you know, just pay attention maybe to the date.

But this is actually episode 199 for us,

which means the next time that we record an episode,

it's going to be episode 200.

Now, as would be our normal schedule,

that should be next Friday, which is whatever that,

I think June 6th, maybe something like that.

But we're actually going to take off next week

because the week after, which will be June 13th,

Friday the 13th, we're actually going to be together in person.

I'm going to be able to come down to New Orleans.

I'm going to be there, and we're going to be able to record episode 200 in person,

which I'm just so excited about, Jeff.

I think that's going to be a lot of fun.

That's going to be fun.

This was because of your vacation schedule.

I mean, obviously, vacation

schedules

once the summer starts,

so we wouldn't record next week anyway, but it'll be number 200 for us,

and we're going to have so much to talk about because this is going to be, like,

a few days after Apple's WWDC where they're going to have, you know,

so many announcements about the upcoming versions of it. I'm assuming it'll be all software, you know,

the next versions of iOS and stuff. There's always the possibility of a hardware announcement. I mean,

anything can happen at WWDC. So I guarantee you that there will be interesting things to talk

about on our next episode.

Yeah. So that's June 9th. So that's Monday, June 9th. Now, actually,

you know, and you and I typically watch it live if we can, and we're texting back and forth the

whole time, because it's just so exciting to see it. Apple nowadays, of course, broadcast it live,

Even though with WWDC, they typically have several, I don't know, hundreds, couple of thousand programmers that they that actually come to the campus because they actually have a whole week of

events.

Right.

And educational sessions and all kinds of things, which I've never been able to go to.

I just think that would be so fun. I'd be such a fanboy there.

But on June 9th, Monday, to kick off all of this, typically Tim Cook, along with several other executives, do this at least an hour long.

Sometimes it's been an hour and a half, you know, maybe even closer to two sometimes where they go through like this keynote, like to introduce all of the new things.

Right. And then the rest of the week, they go into a lot more detail.

So that's what you're referencing on June, Monday, June 9th.

Apple will have their keynote announcement.

And that's when we really get some insight into whatever they've been working on or whatever is going to be the new big announcements, which you addressed a few already that are some bombshells for coming up maybe in 10 days here.

Yeah, it's just a rumor.

And I hate to discuss rumors, you know, right on the eve of WWDC.

Oh, let's do it.

So

some things are

just they don't turn out to be true at all.

But this one, I think, has a sense of credibility about it because all of us realize that, you know, when any software comes out, you know, this is version one, this is version two.

But at a

certain point, the numbers get

a little crazy.

And for Apple, with all of its different operating systems, some of them are in sync.

Like we're using iOS 18 and iPadOS 18 and

TVOS 18.

So those all have 18 in them.

But if it's the watch, we're using number 12.

Wait,

my watch is, oh, okay.

Yeah.

And if you're using, you know, the Mac OS, it's a different number. And if you're using the Apple Vision

Pro, it's

a different number.

And so the idea of making all the numbers consistent, I think, makes good sense. I mean, heck, they announce all of the new operating systems at the same time every year at WWDC, and they've been doing it that way for a long time. So why not have some consistency?

So anyway, the rumor that comes from Mark Gurman, you know, the big reporter at Bloomberg that always seems to have the best, most reliable Apple leaks

is he

says that they're going to go to a year.

So it's going to be, you know, the next version of iOS will reference the year and it won't be the year that it's announced, the iOS 25.

It would be iOS 26 because the idea is the operating system would be the,

you know, for that year, for 25 to 26.

It is the current operating system.

I would love to have consistency between, you know, whatever the numbering scheme is.

I would love to know that whatever this number is, this is the number for the Mac, for the iPhone, for the whatever.

It would just make things

easier in my

feeble brain.

And I think using the year makes sense because that way if you're – if I'm helping somebody troubleshoot in the future and it says, oh, okay, we are currently in the year Apple 2026 and you're still using 2022.

I mean not that they're

going to go back and change numbers in the

past.

But then it just sort of makes it easier to understand, oh, yeah, that's how many years old this one is.

So I, I, the reason I led with this today in my post is I hope Apple does this.

I think this would be an improvement.

Yeah, I agree.

And if I, so was this in this article from Ben Lovejoy, you mentioned, or maybe he mentioned

that

it's

like,

it's like automobiles, right?

It's like, you know, I think we have a 2023 Subaru, but I think we bought it in September

2022 or, you know,

something like that.

We all know that.

It's like,

wait a minute.

Is that like the next year?

Is it this year?

So, I mean, I guess there could be some confusion, but I feel like that can be overlooked pretty easily.

I just like the idea of it all being synchronized together because you're right.

In times, even on this podcast, you and I have been talking about, I'm like, well, wait a minute.

Is it

macOS?

Oh, all the time.

MacOS

is 15.5, but iOS is 18.3.5 or something like that, right?

And it's just, it can get confusing because it's like, what is the latest version?

And I even have to go look it up every time.

So having something like this synchronized, I think would be really nice.

I like it.

Yeah, yeah.

So, okay, what else are we expecting?

I mean, you didn't write a whole lot about it here, but

I mean, you mentioned

the fact that there could be even, you know, a piece of hardware.

You know, maybe we don't need to speculate anymore because we're only a few days away.

But I mean, AI is still such a huge concept, Jeff, that, you know, so many people are speculating what in the world Apple is going to do.

You know, we just had this video we'll talk about here again in just maybe a minute of Johnny Ive working with OpenAI, Sam Altman, that little weird video that they did.

It's like, are they coming out with a new device there?

Maybe that's not Apple.

On the hardware side, we've talked about this iPad on an ARM, HomePod kind of a thing.

You know, are they going to release something along those lines?

Then just one last thing quickly.

I've heard also another rumor along these lines that, oh, I can't remember the word.

It's not Sequoia.

It's some synchronicity or something.

Like Apple's going to redesign pretty much all of the major operating systems so that they kind of have like a similar look and feel.

So I feel like there's just all kinds of things that, you know, it's going to be hard to create the bingo card for this keynote, I think, because no one knows exactly what's going to happen.

You said that already.

Yeah, I don't feel.

I have two predictions and they're both shaky.

And so I certainly didn't write about them.

One is I've heard enough about a redesign,

like you just mentioned.

It's

going to be a new updated look.

I've heard some people say that there was sort of a,

like if you look at the way that the Apple Vision Pro,

the way that they sort of do their menus

and some of their interface,

like that's a preview of it.

And we're going to sort of see that consistently

throughout the iPhone and the iPad and the Mac

and stuff like that.

I've heard enough about it

that it would not surprise me if there is sort of a new, a fresh new look, a new coat of paint,

as it were, that's announced

in 10 days. That's the word they're using,

Solarium is what they're using. Yeah.

The other one I'll mention is AI. AI was a big announcement

for Apple a year ago at WWDC.

Right, exactly. And then it

sort of hit them in the face because a lot

of the things that they promised, they had to pull back and say, we're not doing this. And it resulted

in a lot of blowback.

You know, people saying that, you know, this is

not good,

you know, not only because people

are concerned about the state of AI development in Apple, and who knows if that's justified

or not, but just because it was a rare misstep for Apple to not just announce, but heck,

they ran television commercials about features

that they then had to pull back and say Yeah,

Ellie from The Last of Us is like using Siri.

Let's

say that they can't do it. And,

you know, this is just one data point, and I don't want to put too much into it, but a

person that I often link to that you and I read his columns all the time, John Gruber of Daring

Fireball. Oh, yes.

For the last X-Men years, he has had at WWDC, he has had a nightly show, a single night show that they ran out of theater, and he has somebody up on stage.

And

he's had different people on stage over the years.

It's

called The Talk Show.

It's a live version of that podcast.

But since 2015, so 10 years now, or nine,

10 years now,

his guests have been Apple executives.

People like

Joswiak

and Craig Federico.

All of these, you know, usually not Tim Cook, but people that are like the vice presidential level, vice president level of Apple.

This year, they declined his invitation and he reported on it

this week.

And the one thing that occurred to me

is a couple of weeks

ago, John Gruber, who is normally a fan of Apple stuff as I am.

And I think you can be a fan and still be critical.

He published a story that he called something's rotten in the state of Cupertino, where he

basically called

out Apple for their AI stuff saying, look, you know, we we were you know, we were hoodwinked.

We should have known better.

We should have digged more.

And it was a critical, I think, I mean, not in a negative way.

I think it was an appropriately critical article.

Now, is the fact that he ran that article, I mean,

I don't mean to say that it's like,

you know, retribution.

But what I do think is that Apple, my sense is Apple is not going to have as much AI stuff

this year.

They know they need to live down what happened last year.

And

they don't necessarily

want to be in a situation where people can just ask them whatever

questions they want about it and they have to respond. So I think that the fact that they

turned down now, if they were planning some big new AI announcements that they were totally ready

to do this year, my sense is they probably would have wanted to appear as they have for the last

10 years in

a row on

this live podcast. And the fact that they declined to appear, I'm just, I

mean, this is just reading tea leaves, but it makes me think that AI won't be a much of an emphasis.

And you know, that's fine with me. Apple's going to have something to talk about. And if they're

not talking about AI, which can be overhyped. I totally understand that. Let them talk about

whatever, you know, that fresh coat of paint we just talked about or something else. But

we will find out in 10 days. This is just my prediction. It's worth nothing. But my sense is

AI will not be a focus. We'll see. We'll see.

Okay. Well, thanks for sharing. Because I know

we've been talking about this leading up to this. And like you said, in a couple of weeks, we're

going to have a whole lot more to talk about. And while that's going to be exciting and fun,

And because no matter what, we're going to see some really cool stuff, I'm confident, on June 9th, like what Apple has been working on, whether or not it rises to what the level of what everybody wants.

However, I feel like there's another kind of a dark cloud that's kind of hovering over Cupertino these days.

You had about four or five posts today about not only the tariffs that are happening now and how that's been affecting Apple.

We talked about that a little bit.

We're also talking about this general sense, like, should Apple manufacture iPhones in the United States?

And then least of which is, like, apparently President Trump is sad that his buddy, Tim Cook, is not accompanying him on several trips.

Like, there's just some weird stuff going on.

And you had some good links today from CNN and some New York Times and some other places of just some of these stories.

It's just I don't know where this is going to resolve many times.

I mean, anyone listening to this, I'm sure, has heard the news stories.

I mean, I'll just say we all know that President Trump doesn't like the idea of things being made in other countries.

He feels like everything needs to be made here.

Trade deficits are inherently bad.

I mean, I certainly disagree with that.

I think it makes sense for certain products to be made.

I mean, I enjoy I mean, I enjoy

California wine,

but there's something special about drinking a wine from France.

There's something special about drinking.

You know, there are some products that you want them to be made in other countries because that's just where it makes sense to do it.

And it's not a bad thing for an iPhone to be made in China.

And in fact, it's a good thing because the way that, you know, for a million different reasons, and it's not just cheap labor, which is the knee jerk reaction.

It's because they have the they have these whole cities that have all these industries in one area and they can be so much more efficient.

It's not even just efficient. They make things that we don't make in other parts of the country.

So, you know, we can't

just make

iPhones in America because you'd have to import all the parts from China anyway.

So it's and it's there's nothing wrong with that.

It is appropriate for have different people do different things.

I mean, it would be great if I could do everything.

But you know what? I'm not a doctor.

I should do lawyer stuff.

Other people should do

doctor stuff.

So I don't understand where the president's coming from.

But regardless, you know, the Apple version of this tariff craziness that's been going on is that he for months now has been saying, you know, I want Apple to make iPhones in America.

And Tim Cook has been very delicately trying to work with the administration as he works with governments of all countries that do other crazy things.

That's his job.

He's, you know, the buck stops with him.

He's got to

work with every

country in the world, whether it's, you know, Russia or China or any other country.

He's got to work with them.

And so he had been sort of in good relations, we thought, basically with Trump. And then suddenly Trump had, you know, according to the New York Times article, and I don't know if this is true or not, you know, Trump had wanted Tim Cook to come with him on his Middle East tour. Tim Cook didn't see a reason for him to do that. And now Trump is retaliating and saying, oh, well, fine, I'm going to, you know, put a 25% tear off on every iPhone unless you make them in the States.

And,

you know, if that's the reason this this insane demand that you need to suddenly start making iPhones in the United States, it's impossible.

It's not just that it would be every iPhone would cost five thousand dollars.

You you couldn't even do it at any price because we just don't have the man with the manufacturing here.

And we don't want to do it because people don't even want those jobs in America.

So it's it's a

bizarre

tightrope.

Tim Cook has to navigate this.

You know, I'm glad that he's doing it, not me, because these are uneasy times.

But, you know, either it will just all go away and get resolved or when the new iPhones come out later this year, they're going to all be more expensive and we're going to all

know why.

So, you know, we will

see what happens.

But it is it's it's the big news.

It's been all over.

You know, it dropped just after we finished recording last week's episode and it's been in the news throughout the last week.

So who knows much like anything with this administration, who knows where it's going to end up.

But it is a difficult situation for Apple right now.

I have always admired from a distance the way that Tim Cook, like you said it, I think so nicely, delicately weaves this relationship from Apple with President Trump.

And, you know, even in President Trump's first tenure, you would see them together like they'd be go visiting factories and things like this.

And this is this is just purely me.

But I feel like every time I see one of those pictures, I feel like Tim Cook is just throwing up in his mouth a little bit, like because he has to be there.

It's just the look. But he does it so well.

I mean, he's such a professional.

There's been many stories out because, you know, Tim Cook has gone and testified before Congress.

And there's just so many stories along this.

And it's just kind of an interesting way that he's having to try to balance all this.

And again, I'm not saying pro or con or anything.

It's just I admire the fact that he is such a professional on this because it just cannot be easy.

And I hope that somehow we can come to some resolution.

Apparently, The Onion, I like this article that you linked to.

They've got a good solution here.

What is this?

A tariff strained Apple announces 7,000-piece iPhone kit.

The Onion is always so funny with their stories.

I know.

Surely everybody knows The

Onion, right?

These aren't real stories.

I just want to make sure people know this.

But their solution to the problem is, oh, Apple just sells you a kit.

They won't assemble anything outside of the country.

It will all be assembled in

the United States

at your home.

You will get a big box of 7,000 parts.

Good luck putting together your new iPhone.

And, of course, it's silly.

But as is always true, it's a silly article that proves a point.

Yeah,

yeah.

Good stuff here.

I'll make sure that that links to the show notes because I think it's fun for folks to look at.

Well, I alluded to something we talked about last week.

This very weird and awkward video from Johnny Ive and Sam Altman.

So Johnny Ive, formerly from Apple, and now had his own company.

It's got what?

Love Free or Freedom of

Love or whatever

the love from.

Thank you.

And Sam Altman, of course, CEO of OpenAI.

You know, when we talked about this last week, I went on the record.

It's like I could even watch the whole thing.

You were laughing about that just a little bit, but I'm glad that I'm not alone.

I give all credit to Jason Snell from Six Colors.

You linked to his story today.

Apparently, he did watch the entire video, and I was just listening to the MacBreak Weekly show where Leo was like,

I can't even believe you made it through the entire video.

It's just so weird.

And even Alex Lindsay is on there, and he knows this profession of filming.

I mean, he and he was even pointing out things like it seems like that there was somebody like off camera doing an interview, but they cut that out.

Right. It was just so weird the way it was all doing. And really, the the the the crux of it all is there wasn't a product like they didn't even talk about something.

And Jason Snell, I think, does a good job of, well, frankly, even calling BS on the whole thing, because he's like, I just don't know if it can really come to something that's going to be fruition here.

Perhaps I have rose colored glasses, but

I am still enthusiastic

about this because I feel like we can't lose.

If they come out with a great product, great.

We get to think about

buying it.

And if they come out with

something that is a tremendous flop, it'll still be interesting to watch.

You know, so one way or the other, it'll be interesting.

Definitely.

I

will tell you that Jason is negative.

And here's why, you know, Johnny Ive has done amazing things in Apple with design.

But I also think that it's, you know, he probably gets perhaps too much credit.

And, you know, Jason's theory, Jason's thesis is that the best of Apple was when you had the yin and the yang.

You had Johnny Ive

who came up with these incredible

design ideas, but you had Steve Jobs who would counter him.

And we know they used to have lunch together every day.

They used to talk all the time.

And his philosophy is the best things came out when, you know, maybe Johnny Ive would have a million crazy ideas, but Steve Jobs would help him to find the one good one.

And that once Steve passed away and once Apple put a lot more faith in Johnny to do things,

something sort of went off the rail and you had some products that didn't make as much

sense.

And so his thesis is that when Johnny doesn't have someone to counter him and balance him

and he doesn't think that Sam Altman is going to be that person, it means that we'll end

up with something that's overly designed and not very practical.

Right,

right.

And he may, I mean, time will tell.

Jason may be 100% correct, but he thinks, you know, he was a little, he was critical of the reports that were just, you know, unabashedly enthusiastic saying, oh, well,

this is going to be the next

thing since sliced bread, which is not where I am.

But I understand where he's coming from.

And again, I thought he'd, of all of the more critical takes on this announcement, I thought it was one of the most interesting.

You

can't ignore this.

I mean, these are big titans in the industry that are

coming together and

they claim that they are coming up with the next big thing.

Of course, they're not telling us what it is yet because it's not going to be out for a year and a half.

But so, you know, it's just an interesting perspective.

One way or the other, you know, get out the popcorn.

It's going to be interesting to watch.

Yeah.

They were even talking about this.

Somehow they one of the folks on the MacBreak Weekly podcast found out like in this video, there's shots of Sam Altman and Johnny Ives separately, like walking down the streets of San Francisco.

And they're all extras.

They're all

actors.

Like it's not like it wasn't like even natural.

Because they could tell

that like certain people were in one location, then they shot and that same person was like there, but a different location.

It was just kind of weird and awkward.

You know, something else just quickly that I heard Jason talk about to underscore your point here.

Not is it just the yin and the yang with like Johnny Ive and Steve Jobs or versus Sam Altman.

But Johnny Ive brought over a lot of his design team from like Apple here.

And

Jason

talks about they didn't bring a lot of hardware engineers.

And even Jason says designers are great. I mean, designers are part of a team. But in order to make a product that's going to be functional from all aspects, you've got to have those engineers that can put in some of the practicalities on there.

Because the design is great, but that's only, you know, a piece of the pie. Like, you've got to have a full team around there. And I just thought that that was good.

All right, we'll stop.

Well, I'll say one more thing on that.

John Gruber of Daring Fireball, who we were just talking about, John pushed back on that statement that you just highlighted because he points out that although in some companies, designers are pure designers.

They have pencils.

They have paper.

They come up with an idea, and then they hand it off.

Right.

The way that Apple works is their designers move a lot more into hardware engineering because they understand to a certain degree that just because you

come up with an idea, if you can't

make it, it doesn't work.

And so he did point out that maybe Jason's being a little unfair because some of these people, yes, they're design people, but they're design people that understand enough about hardware engineering to at least bring some of that to the table.

Again, though, Jason's point still stands that these people are really – they're all of Johnny Ives' former lieutenants at Apple, and they do come from that standpoint.

And

so we're

going to need somebody to counterbalance that.

Are they going to have it at this new company called – what is it called?

It's called I.O.

I.O.

are they going to have this at their new IO company? We shall see. We shall see. Yeah.

All right. We'll stop bashing the video. I, I just hope somebody learned like, okay,

you know what? We need to do this without, you know, the budget that they have. Uh, but let's

talk about something that I presume maybe Johnny had some, uh, influence on designing the Apple

watch, I guess, right? He was still there. Uh, love it. When you link to things like this on

howtogeek.com, five hidden features of your Apple Watch control center. Not just the tips in here,

but the control center. Now, I would say maybe two or three out of the five, I was like, oh yeah,

okay, yeah, I knew that. But man, this is a good list. Thanks for linking to this today, Jeff.

Yeah, each one of these could have been a tip of the week. So you have your Apple Watch,

and you know, on your Apple Watch on the side, you've got two buttons, you have the digital crown

that you can spin, but then you have the big button, right? So if you press that big button

once it brings up the control panel and you can see these little icons and stuff like that. And

most of the tips in this article, I just didn't know it is, of course you can tap those things.

That's obvious, but you can also hold down

on many of these and you

get different things. And so,

for example, if you tap and hold on the little wifi icon, it actually, it doesn't just toggle

it on and off, which is what happens when you press it. It

actually lets

you select a different

wifi network. That's interesting. Another one that I thought was really useful, and I'm going to

start doing this is, you know, we've all had situations where you can't find your iPhone.

It's somewhere in my

house. I can't find it. And because of the Find

My technology, Apple helps you.

And I have often been like, where is my wife? Is it in this room? They'll leave it upstairs.

And so one of the things I will do is I will tap the control panel and I will tap the little icon

that has the picture of the little icon with an iPhone with the little things around the

side of it

showing it

right there. And if you tap that once, we all know what will happen is your iPhone will

beep, make a noise, and your watch will try to show you what direction it is and how far away it

is to help you track it down. But if you hold down on that button, it will do everything I just said,

plus one more thing. It

will take the

light, the

flash, thank you. It will take the

flash,

and it will make it sort of flash on and off. And

so, of course, if

it's down, you won't see it,

but if it's in the right position, especially if you're in a little bit of a darker room,

you know, you might hear something and think, oh, wait, what direction is that coming from?

But if you

see that flash

over on your, you know, counter, you're like, oh, there's my phone right

there. So it's a silly little tip, but like the next time that I misplace my iPhone, I guarantee

you, I'm going to be holding down.

Oh, absolutely. So that gives you the flavor

of these tips in here.

And so I'll mention one more, which is that if you many times I'll put my watch, I usually keep

my watch on silent all the time, but every once

in a while I

will have the, I'll have the volume

turned on. And so if you want to turn it off, I just hit control panel and I tap that thing and

you tap the little alarm

icon.

And of course it just, it just makes it on silent. But what this

tip pointed out that I did not know, if you hold down on that icon, what will happen is you'll get

a little pop-up list that says, do you want to turn silent on right now? Or do you just want to

keep it on for an hour? Or

do you just want to keep it

on until this evening? And I'm like, oh,

that's actually not a bad idea.

You know, you're at work,

you put on the silent until this evening

And then later on when you're home, it'll go off and you'll have your normal

tones.

I'm like, that's actually a pretty good idea.

So these are all very useful tips.

I had no idea they were there.

So bravo to the author of this article.

Try tapping and holding on those buttons.

That's great.

I do like that with the silent alarm because sometimes I turn it on and then I forget that I left it on or I want it to be off.

And I

just like the fact that

you can't customize the time.

He points that out in here.

But just the fact you have those three options there is enough.

and if you have an Apple Watch, you probably have at least one Apple Watch strap

and maybe multiple Apple Watch straps.

How in the world can you track them all?

I feel like this

falls under

the first world problems kind of an

idea.

But there

is an app for your strap.

So somebody, I forget the name of the developer,

oh, Flip Chudzinski, Band Bright is an app

that will let you keep track of all of your Apple Watch straps.

I don't think that I have that many that I need this, Jeff, but I bet you do.

I do.

This app's been out for a while.

The spelling of it, by the way, maybe it's German or something like that.

It's band, B-A-N-D, but then it's B-R-E-I-T-E, band, right?

Yeah.

But anyway, it

is an app that, now

this is

not going to do much good for you if you have

third-party apps, but if you use Apple Watch Band apps, which is what I've always used,

You can, this app knows every watch band that has ever been released by Apple of all time.

And so

I can see, for example.

Okay, so it has to be an Apple watch band.

That's what you're saying.

You said app, but you meant a strap.

I meant a strap, exactly.

In other words, if you use a third

party.

Okay, I got you now.

Gotcha.

And how many, do you know how many bands Apple has released over the years since the

Apple

watch was first announced

in 2015?

According to the band right now.

I'm going to say 25?

What?

Well, that would be a little low.

Remember, there's different colors of each one.

So

if you count each color separately,

you want to try

again

with the number?

I

don't know if

you'll guess this

high.

43?

Okay.

849.

What?

Are you kidding me?

Okay.

So every color variation and everything.

Okay.

Okay.

I got you.

I got you.

Which makes

sense because every season, Apple will usually have their new color.

What?

So for example, they have their solo bands.

They have their solo whatever.

But then they'll have

new color variations.

Yeah.

So the

loops and they change.

And so it's been this many years and there's been this many types.

So of those 849 bands that have ever been released, you can

currently

purchase 117 of those in the store.

So there's a lot of options out there.

Okay.

So with

this app, you can see pictures of them.

You can see the release dates.

You can see what they look like.

But what you

can also do is

keep track of your own.

And so I can see because I've been putting my bands in here.

You know, every time

that I buy a new Apple Watch, which is certainly not every year,

but I bought a couple of them since 2015, it comes with a band, right?

So you're going to always get something that's interesting.

So if you've purchased multiple Apple Watches over the years, you're going to have a collection of bands from that alone.

Plus, sometimes I would get a band or I would get it for Father's Day.

I've mentioned in recent years that company Woot has had like a thing that you can pay a

very low price and you get three cents.

Yeah, I've done that.

So as a result of all of that, I have 15 different bands in my collection, which is a

lot.

Some of them I never really

wear.

For example, when I purchased my first Apple Watch, I purchased what Apple called the classic

buckle.

It was like a black leather band with the buckle.

It was like a traditional watch band.

And I'm like, oh, I'm

going to use this one all the time.

But you know what?

I didn't really care for it too much.

And I haven't worn it in years and years.

But it's in my collection.

It's in my collection.

But I can see, for example, that I have three sport bands.

Those are the ones that often come for free, you know, the white, the black.

I actually have two blacks because one of them is the large black and one of them is like the extra large, which is better because

I have a bigger wrist and

stuff.

I can see that I only have one sport loop.

I have six different solo loops and I can see all the different

colors I have.

Dark cherry, sun glow, clover, cypress green.

And so it's just a nice way to sort of keep track of what you have.

Now, I don't use this with the app, but if you want to, it has a feature that you can log which watch band.

you have worn every day.

And so like, if you just wanted to,

like if you did track it,

you could say,

oh, well,

I haven't worn my Cypress Green one in a while.

So I'll wear that.

Yeah, that's a little too far,

but it's nice that they have the feature.

So it's silly.

It's fun, but why not keep track of it?

I

don't know.

It's a cute

app.

There is a charge for the app

and I paid for it so long ago,

I forget how much it was,

but it's a cute app.

I love the care and attention

that they have had put into the Apple Watch bands.

I have to confess,

I've only been half listening to you

because I'm clicking through this Bandbrite

app the website here the website

has all the information yeah

their site is better than

apple's website for all of the like you can go to a specific band here it shows you the color it

gives you all of these specifications about and even community stats of how many of how many

communities or how many people using the bandbrite app is actually are actually using this particular

strap this

is amazing in

here i didn't know it was like a resource along these lines okay i take back

fun that I made of this app. This is great in here.

I mean, it tells you like the sizes. Yeah.

The colors and everything. Maybe my Clover watch band, you know, color broke. And then I could say,

oh, well, they actually released that four years ago. And that's why I can't find it in the store

anymore. You know, it's like that too.

Oh my goodness. Okay. Well, this is a fantastic resource

for those of you that are interested in the watch drive, but I get, I didn't even think about that.

it really is only the Apple watch bands, right?

I mean, of course, now that I know there's 873 of them

or whatever they are.

So it's not gonna work if you have,

I mean, can you put like a third party strap into the app?

Is there a place for that?

Or that would just be too much?

I don't know because I don't own any,

so I've never tried.

I think you need to find the Apple band first

and then tap a button that says, I own this.

So I don't think it allows you to enter your own bands.

But again, maybe that

feature is there

and I don't

know about it.

I think it's just the Apple products.

just this is a resource is amazing look at this you can go and find all of the apple watch bands

that's that's pretty amazing thank you ben bright for uh for including that well if you uh have an

iphone you like posting pictures to instagram excellent news for you coming out today

instagram changes the standard photo aspect ratio uh this is a problem i didn't know that we had

uh jeff you can tell

i'm

not that much of a grammar these days but apparently i i like this little

picture here like because of the way i mean i remember when instagram first came out you know

before facebook and everything acquired it and it's like it was this kind of a square approach to it

there um so you had to i guess crop your photos is that right uh especially if you took them on

you know your iphone in sort of a portrait mode but now you can upload it in the regular uh

resolution and aspect ratio without modifying it now, I guess. Is that good

news?

I'm guessing it

is, or nobody would. I mean, Marcus Mendez from 9to5Mac wouldn't report on it if it wasn't

something very important.

Yeah, I'm a very occasional Instagram user, and I never post

pictures. But if you do, and if you've noticed that the very top and bottom of your iPhone

pictures are cropped off, and sometimes it takes something that you wanted to be in the picture

that's off they

have they have finally fixed that after all of these years

oh now if you thank you

if you want

to use instagram on your ipad and a native ipad app that that's just too much modern

technology they still haven't figured out how to do that but you know so maybe one day we can dream

on that

exactly oh

my goodness in the show last week we knew there was going to be a release in

fact i think it was later that evening last friday right that bono stories of surrender

was going to be released and it was there's apparently is a 2d version for us normal people

and then there's a immersive version for those of us like you jeff that have the apple vision pro

i'm assuming you've watched it now did you like it or not yeah

i did so it actually came out

technically today i watched it at 11

okay okay because okay 11 o'clock

central what they released

last week was just a little teaser.

Gotcha. Okay. One

of the songs. It is, I enjoyed it. Now,

let me tell you, if you start to watch this, the first two or three minutes of it, Bono is,

you know, jumping around the way he's speaking. It's sort of overly dramatic. And I'm like,

oh, this is going to be too artsy fartsy. And this is going to be too much for me.

And I'm glad I stuck with it because after those first few minutes, then when I started to get into

it and you sort of get used to his style of speaking.

Because I don't know that I haven't really spent a lot of time watching him speak.

And of course, I know his songs, U2.

But then as I get into it, he actually has some really interesting stories about growing

up in Ireland and his relationship with his family and as U2 started to get famous.

And it's just like he's picked some interesting stories throughout his life.

And then

he sort of has a narrative

and then he'll talk about a story and then it will go

into a song.

And, you know, many of these U2 songs, I know them, of course, because the tunes themselves

are catchy and you know i'm familiar with the words i i know more or less what bloody sunday

sunday

bloody sunday is about

but then as you sort of hear him talking about what's going on in

ireland and they get into the i i had a new a new appreciation for the artistry of the songs

so it's a it's a good documentary i mean i think

you know admittedly

i grew up you know i was in

high school and college in the 1980s and i remember you know when you two was just you know

joshua tree and all that sort of stuff you two is of my generation so maybe if you are much older

than me, this may not speak to you as much. And you may think, you know, I don't like Bono. And

so that's fine. So if that's who you are, but if you

at

least have any interest in the U2 songs,

it's a good documentary. So I do recommend it, you know, hats off to Apple TV plus,

this was apparently a one man show that he did. And then they have sort of turned it into,

I say, it's not a documentary, it's just a show. So that is worth watching on Apple TV. Enjoy it.

However, if you have a vision pro, and I know lots of, not a lot of people do,

They have done an immersive version of this.

Oh my goodness, Brett, this was really, really good.

Because

parts of it,

when he does songs,

it stops from being just like you're watching a movie

with just like a 16, nine aspect ratio.

Suddenly it changes from watching a movie

to fully immersive.

Much like when you, last time you and I were together

in Chicago and you saw that Metallica immersive

video

where like you feel like you're

there.

So now I will tell you that although the entire thing

is an hour and a half, the portions that are immersive are just some of the songs. I mean,

it's not that many minutes total out of the hour and a half, maybe 20 minutes or something like

that. But those are really cool because you feel like Bono is right there in your house singing,

you know, and it's

very, you know,

intense and immersive. And that's really cool.

But even aside from that, the parts that are not in immersive video, which is sort of all around

you, the parts where you're just watching the documentary, they will have like the picture

that you're showing right now,

you see how they have like

those sort of animations

of like, you know,

the lines

with like

white and yellow color.

Apparently those are hand drawings

that Bono himself did.

And Apple took those hand drawings

and sort of animated them.

And they make them sort of like

come out of the screen

as you're watching it

and come up around you.

And so like there will be,

here's an example.

There's a scene where he is recreating

a conversation that he had

with his father who he had,

he had a very troubled relationship

with good and bad.

And so he'll be talking about

how they were in a pub in Ireland

and he will have his seat

he's sitting in and there's an empty seat next to him that represents his father and he's telling

this tale and he's looking at the seat as if his father is there if you just watch the regular apple

tv version it's just like the stage show you're just looking at the empty chair but

if you're

looking at

the vision pro version of it there's sort of like an animated version of his father

that sort of sits there in the chair and he's actually drawn in a very sketchy sort of just

sketches like what the pub looks like you know what the bar behind it and it gives it this

oh

Yes, it's 3D, but it's more of like an artistic thing.

It's really, really good.

I mean, it would have never occurred to me to do it this way.

And now that

I've seen it, I'm like, whoever came up with that's really smart.

I mean, it is true art.

It is a true artist who came up with it.

So again, if you have access to a Vision Pro and you can watch it that way, it's much,

much better that way.

And I hope that Apple is inspired by this to do even more things like this, because it

It was totally enjoyable.

I didn't intend to watch the whole thing last night, Brett.

I sat down a little after 11.

I'm like, I'm going to watch a few minutes of it so I can mention it.

And then the

next thing I know,

it's like 1230 in the morning, and I've watched the whole thing.

And now

I'm tired as I'm talking

to you right now because I couldn't put it down.

It was so interesting.

Well, and this is long, right?

Isn't it like an hour and a half?

This is the longest

content of immersive video that Apple has released that you can see on the Vision Pro.

And I guess when I heard that, I was thinking, okay, are they just going to have one or two?

Do they have enough time to put anything extra or to add?

But just listening to you talk about this animation, the sketches in the animation there,

is very interesting that they apparently did have enough time to put something in.

And to me, that's like, I do want to see it on the Apple Vision Pro.

So I might ask that when I come down to New

Orleans there,

because I don't have to watch the whole thing, maybe.

But maybe like you, I'll end up watching the whole thing.

But just amazing that they were able to incorporate something that, I don't know, could that have been done in 2D?

I'm sure it could, but it just wouldn't have been as effective, I don't think, right?

Agreed. Agreed.

Yeah, yeah.

One last thing in our In the Show segment, you link to a nice little interview with Ben Stiller and Adam Scott or Mr. Scout from

Severance.

The one takeaway that I loved in this is apparently Apple signed on to do Severance even before Apple TV Plus was out.

Is that right?

Yeah.

And Ben Stiller was, you know, he's looking back on it now.

Hindsight's 20 to 20.

But back then, nobody else apparently was willing to pick it up.

And boy, there's got to be some people kicking themselves in the rear end, I'm sure, over these last couple of years now.

You know,

there are people at HBO that are like, we could have had the hottest show.

We

could have.

But it's, you know, the headline that Variety has in this article is, oh, there could be spinoffs.

But I think that that's a little bit of a tease because, yes, it's true.

The interviewer, Ethan Shanfeld, he did ask Ben Stiller, do you have any spinoffs in mind?

And Ben Stiller did say, of course, I'm not going to announce anything.

You know, we have been playing with two ideas.

But that's all he really says is that they have two

ideas.

It

doesn't mean that anything is going to happen to it.

It doesn't mean there's going to be any spinoffs.

I'm sure they're more focused on the actual show right now.

But it was really interesting, the insight that he did provide into it.

And the part that you mentioned I thought was interesting because they shopped the show around and

nobody wanted it

except for Apple.

And like you're Ben Stiller and a company – I mean Apple is a big company, but they don't even have a streaming service.

I'm like, this is who I'm going to sign up with?

It's

a little bit of

a leap of faith.

But

he talks about how

it turned out great for them because Apple has given them the creative freedom that they

want.

and everything else.

And it's obviously the biggest show in Apple,

or at least it's maybe that one or Ted Lasso.

I'm not sure which one has been bigger over the years,

but perhaps Severance.

And not just him, but also Adam Scott talks about

how he's been lucky enough

to do a lot of big things over the year.

He was on Parks and Recreation

and got a lot of success for that.

And he's done some other good shows.

But he's like,

I'm

just so lucky to have been on this show

because it's like, this may be the defining role of his life.

Who knows if he'll move on to anything

that's even bigger from this.

but it's just such a fantastic character and interesting show.

So it's, you know, Severance is over.

Season three is done.

It'll be a while before season four comes out,

but the writers are working on it right now.

Ben Stiller said that he's meeting with them all the time.

And, you know, hopefully it comes out

soon.

Yeah, he's flying out.

Yeah.

Flying out to meet with them.

So

it's some great behind the scenes.

It's a great sign.

You know, Variety often does good behind the scenes articles on TV shows.

And they certainly did with this one.

Wrapping up today,

I heard people talking about one of the cutest gifts I think has got to be ready for any Mac liker lover in your life for Christmas.

Get on the waiting list right now.

This is the Pico Mac Nano, a fully functional Macintosh replica that's about half the size of a Coke can.

This was just crazy.

Again, I was listening to that MacBreak Weekly podcast, and Andy and Otko is on there that's been using Macs with Jason Snell, and they were talking about this thing.

And it's just amazing.

Who wouldn't want a cute little Mac Nano here?

This is just great.

But, man, you've got to get on the waiting list now.

It's like several months out.

Yeah.

So what this person did is that there's this thing called the Raspberry Pi, P-I, which has been around for a long time, and it's an incredibly small computer.

It's an entire computer on a little thing.

They're very inexpensive.

Like a thumb drive, yeah.

Yeah, and they're made for hobbyists

because you could purchase one

and you can do whatever you want with it.

You can turn it into a robot.

You could just use it as a tiny computer.

And so apparently there's a miniature version of it

called the Raspberry Pi Pico

that's super, super, super tiny.

And so he thought, if I have this tiny thing

and there are emulators

for the original Macintosh operating system

that came out in the

1980s

that you can run on it,

even though it's technically like a PC type thing.

And so he's like, what if I sort of used my 3D printer to make something

that looks

like

a little Mac?

And so that's what he did.

And so if you wanted to make one of these yourself, you can buy a Raspberry Pi

Pico.

They're

very, very inexpensive.

I mean, you could even buy the pieces individually.

You could buy this.

You could, if you have a 3D printer, you can print out your own and you can make this.

But obviously, you know, there's a little skill involved in that.

And so what he said is like, if you want to purchase them from me, he's what it called

the one bit rainbow, I think is what he's calling them.

And you can come to his website, which is so cute because you're showing on your screen.

His website

looks like the original

Macintosh operating system.

It's interactive.

And like you can click on the Apple and you can click on things that interact with it.

Now, soon

after different

websites picked up on this, I think he immediately said, okay,

I've got way too many orders.

So

he's like, if

you put it, put in your email address, I'll let you know when I get to you.

And so good for him for

making

these and for selling them.

I want to say it's like 50 bucks or 60 bucks or

something like that.

Yeah, 56 euros.

So that's

probably closer to 60

or something like that.

Okay.

That's for just the computer by itself.

But did you notice that he also has an upgraded version?

If you want, you can get it in a little tiny cardboard box that comes with the styrofoam inserts.

Look, can you see the pictures on

that?

Look at that.

It looks just like the original Apple box, the original

Macapache box.

They call it the Picasso design because it's sort of like a Picasso sort of, you know,

outline design.

Oh, this is a walk down memory.

I mean, look at that.

Very, very cute.

Like, so that's 78 euros.

So, you know, that's probably close to $82, something like that.

But I mean, why would you not get the box and the little tiny, teeny styrofoam inserts that apparently he had a 3D printer create on that?

Man, like, okay, got to get that on my Christmas list now.

There's that Picasso, you know, drawing like you were talking about, right?

That's why everybody calls it.

But that box is so iconic.

Like when I saw it, I had flashbacks, Jeff.

I mean, that looks so cool.

I like that.

So thank you for brightening our days.

I forget the gentleman's name that does this.

One Bit Rainbow, like you said.

Oh, this is Nick Geller sharing in a blog post.

Just such a great thing.

Love it.

Love it.

Love it there.

All right.

In the know.

Well, we talked about some

Apple

Watch tips.

So I wanted to give one from myself because from the very beginning of having the Apple Watch, one of the things, of course, we've talked about so many times is the attention to health.

And you have your three rings, right?

You got your move ring, got your exercise ring.

And then that blue ring is I just call it the stand ring, right?

By default, it's always been on, and it is encouraging you to stand at least once an hour throughout the day, right?

For 12 times is when you can customize that.

But by default, that's what it is.

Well, again, from the beginning, one of the reminders that the Apple Watch has always had is time to stand.

Stand up and move a little for one minute, which is just a nice little reminder.

And I thought it was so cute when it first came out.

But all these years later, Jeff, I'm kind of like, you know what?

I think by this time, A, I've kind of gotten in the habit of standing anyway.

B, I'm pretty active already.

So I don't really need to be reminded to stand.

So I know this is a little bit of a long explanation, but how can you turn off the time to stand reminders?

Like it took me, what, now six, seven years to get to this

point.

But I'm like, I just don't need this anymore.

You can go into your settings app on your Apple Watch and you can find the activity section.

And when you tap into that, one of the first things is toggling on or off stand reminders.

And so, like I said, I just had it on.

It was just part of my Apple Watch life is seeing the stand reminder every day.

And I'm just like, I'm trying to like whittle out all of those little notifications that I just don't need.

I've just gotten used to seeing them.

So I don't think about them, but this was when I'm like, you know what?

I think I got this one.

I know I can stand up enough times during the day.

I can turn that off.

There's also a couple of other reminders in there that you can turn off,

but that's through the Apple Watch.

You can also go into the Apple Watch app on your phone and go into the activity

section and turn that off.

And it's just a simple little toggle to turn off stand reminders.

And again, not that big of a difference that it makes,

But it's just something more that I don't have to always like look at my watch.

It's like, what was that little thump or bump or something like that?

Right.

That notification.

It's like the stand reminders.

I'm okay with.

That's how you can turn it off on your Apple watch.

I don't mind them only because of all of the streaks I have on my Apple watch.

That's the one that I've had the longest.

And I

know it's the easy one to get, right?

That's the easy one to get.

Good for you.

You managed to stand up.

Aren't you proud of yourself?

I know

that's silly,

but whatever.

It makes me happy.

And so I don't mind the reminders.

And sometimes I might even cheat.

I mean, I might even be sitting here and I can't get up because I'm on a

video conference.

But like my

reminder will come and I'll just move my arm around and sort of get it.

My son does that.

That's how I know the reminder comes on because all of a sudden he's like punching the air.

And I'm like, what's going on with you?

What's the matter?

He's cheating too, Jeff.

I know it's silly, but whatever.

I still do it.

There was a time in my life where I used to try to get all of my circles closed every single day.

Like, you know, and I

don't do as much.

I'm pretty good with exercise, but I don't do it every single day.

I'm not as good as you are about it, but it's something to keep track of.

But I totally understand why you would want to remove this.

And again, you pointed out that you could change it too.

You couldn't do that for a long time.

But like if you decide

that

for me, nine stand hours is enough for me in every one day

or

two stand hours, whatever you want to give

yourself, you can change it to

whatever you

You got to start somewhere.

But it's nice that

you can turn it off completely.

So that's a good tip.

It's nice that you have control over that stuff.

My tip is something that I was surprised when I look back that I don't think I've made it a tip the week before.

I mentioned on this podcast.

Oh,

really?

Okay.

Two years ago

on this podcast, I mentioned that an app came out called Call Sheet.

I remember.

It is a

competitor to the IMDB app.

And, you know, this is an app that you can use that when you're watching a show, you can say, oh, what is this actor's name?

What do I know this actor from?

What have they been in before?

Yeah.

You know, what's some

information on it?

And so IMDB has had their app for a long time, but the IMDB is a piece of, because

it's got

ads and pop-ups and

nonsense and

it's ridiculous.

And so Casey List, who is an app developer, but he's also well-known because he has a popular podcast, especially for people that write Apple software called the Accidental Text Podcast, ATP.

And

so he

has this website called List, L-I-S-S is more.

And he came up with this app.

And instead of using the internet movie database for its source, it uses a different online

database that it's mentioned the name of it here.

I forget what it is.

It's the movie database.

I think it's called.

But anyway,

it's a different source,

but it's basically the same types of information.

I love this app and I use it all the time when I'm watching a show.

And the reason I wanted to recommend it today is because it continues to get lots of updates.

And he just had one just a couple of days ago that came out.

And, you know, one of the updates that he had recently is a unique feature of the app is you could look at a person and see how old the person was, how old the person is.

But sometimes it'd be confusing because

you might be watching like an old movie or an old TV show.

And you're like, you're looking at how old the person was.

It's like, is this his current age?

Is this the age when they filmed it?

And so one of the new changes that was linked in that blog post I linked to today is it'll now show you both.

So if you're looking at like a little reference to a

person, if

you scroll down here a little bit, you'll see it.

Not only do you see the person's current age, but you'll see, oh, when they recorded this show, this is how – like Sean Connery, for example, right here.

There it is.

You'll see Alec Baldwin.

So I can see that in The Hunt for Red October, Alec Baldwin is 67-year-olds today, but he was 31 years

old

when he did that show.

Now, why do you need to know that?

Right, right.

But it's

just an interesting little thing in your head.

And I often find, I guess I'm old enough now, when you get older, you get more nostalgic.

But I often find myself like, what do I know that actor from?

And what have they

been in before?

Right, right.

And I love this app.

It's just a nice little app.

It has a, I think it's an annual fee.

I forget what it is.

It's not that

expensive.

Yeah, I look down here.

It's free

for most uses.

Yeah.

But nine

bucks a year.

You can pay a dollar a month

or nine dollars a year.

I mean, come on.

That's great.

Yeah.

And what you can do is

you can pin things in it.

So for example, if there's a show that I'm watching regularly, like, you know, Severance

when it was airing, you know, I will pin that.

So it's at the top of the app.

So if I'm

watching another episode

two or three weeks from now, it's right there at

top.

So you can pin shows, you could pin actors, you could pin whatever you want.

It's got lots of different features.

He's changing it all the time.

It's a beautiful iPhone app that like does all the good iPhone-y things you would want

an app to do.

He even has a

version of

it for the Apple Vision Pro.

So if you're using a Vision

Pro, you can look at it

there.

It's just a very nice app.

So if this is of interest to you, if you find yourself wanting to get other information about movies and TV shows, pick thumbs up for me for Call Sheet.

I think I

should do a review on

it at iPhone JD.

I haven't done one.

It's a really good app.

You absolutely

should.

Yeah.

Yeah, I remember you've mentioned this before because especially when we talk about our in the show segment, we're talking about different actors and where we saw them.

And I'm terrible at remembering the names or remembering where else.

But it's like I know I saw them somewhere else.

And, yeah, I'm going to have to download this now and just have it available.

I've tried that IMDb app as well.

And I mean, we all know the IMDb is a great resource.

It's been around

for many, many,

many years.

But I also know Casey List, and I would much rather trust what he is providing.

Because I mean, just even the images here are fantastic looking.

Like it's really appified on that.

Excellent.

Call sheet.

I'll have a link in the show notes.

Thanks for that.

Okay.

Well, that's good for today, Jeff.

We won't be talking next week.

If you've anybody has hung around for this long, we're going to take off next Friday, which will be the 6th, June 9th.

We will be watching the WWDC announcements.

Won't we do anything but that Friday, which is Friday the 13th, June 13th.

Jeff and I will be together in person and we will have plenty to talk about.

I'm confident at that time, Jeff.

So we won't talk with you next week, but in two weeks, I'll see you soon, my friend.

Thanks. See you in two weeks, Brett. Bye bye, everybody.