Welcome to a special edition of In The News. Today is Friday the 13th. It is June, Friday the 13th,

2025. I'm Brett Burney from Apps in Law. I'm Jeff Richardson from iPhone

JD and I'm also from my law

firm here where we are both sitting together.

Level up.

I'm so happy. We're in a

professional

recording studio. We're together so we're able to talk about this in ways that we've never been able

to or we don't usually get to even though we talk every week.

So exciting, Jeff.

And what I'd love to do is spend the next two hours talking about all the New Orleans

places you've been eating.

Is there anything else going on this week we should talk about?

Maybe we'll save the restaurant scene.

People are

like, well, what are you doing in New Orleans?

I'm like, pretty much I eat.

And then I go sleep and then we eat some more.

And just like the waiter the other day told us that when you're sitting there eating, you're

talking about the next place

you're going to go and eat.

Of course you are.

Yes.

Because that's what you do.

And that's the fun thing.

We've enjoyed it very much.

And then get beignets in between,

right?

With a coffee.

and then go to the next place to eat.

It's

been fun.

Just to clean your palate with the beignet

before you move on to the next rich meal.

It's the amuse-muse of New

Orleans.

I love it.

It's

good.

But thanks for hosting us, Jeff.

This is so exciting.

It is fantastic.

And

we have so much to talk about.

Not only is it exciting to be here in New Orleans,

so much...

Okay, first of all, let's get to the fact that

this is episode 200 for us, my friend.

The Bicentennial

in the News

episode.

So I just want to say thank you again, as always.

It has been such a joy every week, something I look forward to.

And the fact that we can talk about things that you and I would pretty much sit down and talk about anyway.

It's just we have an excuse to be able to do it in sort of a more formal way, but it's just been a blast.

And I want 200 more.

But congratulations, 200 episodes.

That's fantastic.

It's been great, great fun.

Do you know which post number that you're on for In The News posts now?

Somewhere in the

700s or something like that.

I was going to guess.

It's been a while.

I always say, oh, 781.

There

you go.

Is that right?

781.

You put

it, I look in the URL of your

iPhoneJD.com.

Exactly, yes.

And I can see your 781 posts.

We've got a little bit of catching up to do.

Yeah.

But don't stop because we base this every week a lot on your in the news posts on iPhoneJD.com.

And keep going,

man.

And this week, iPhoneJD.com was all about WWDC because this is

the

big Apple announcement.

I mean, it's fun when Apple comes out with the new iPhones in the fall because everybody loves their iPhones.

and it's fun to see what the new devices are.

But this is the real big one.

Even though the conference is for developers,

this is when Apple previews the next version

of their operating systems.

And every single one of them got huge updates.

Well, almost, how huge it was depends it.

But first of all, they all have the new number, right?

That's the big

thing.

- A new number.

- This is the rumor.

- It's like a global change.

- Everything is gonna be 26,

and which is good because I was always forgetting

what

version

are we on?

And you're running this.

Is that the one that came out two

years ago, last year?

You just don't remember.

And so I like the idea of the uniformity.

I've heard some people say it should be called 25, should be called 26.

I think of it as a new car.

It's like the new car model.

You're buying the new car model for the next year.

But, you know, even regardless, I mean, they could have called it, you know, chipmunks.

It doesn't really matter.

The fact that it's all called the same thing, to your point, Dervin.

That's going to be nice.

Because people, you know, there was macOS.

I think we were on macOS 15.

We were on iOS 18.

The watchOS was 11.

The Vision Pro was 2.

So the vision

pro goes from 2 to 26.

It's just so confusing

when you're trying to talk to somebody that, you know, isn't as nerdy as we are talking about this all the time.

And it's like, what version, you know, what version are you on now?

And I can't remember.

I'd have to go look it up every time.

And, you know, it's like, can you even get the new version of whatever the OS is going to be?

What model phone?

Anyway, it's just nice that it's going to be all in the same name.

And we don't have to, you know, kind of calculate.

I have one more thought about the number, though, is that I do wonder if they're going to keep things like the iPhone and the iPad.

will that move them over too?

Because I could totally see

this fall,

the next iPhone being called the iPhone 26

that runs iOS 26.

I mean, I haven't heard any rumors of this,

but it would make sense

because I do like the new numbering system.

So, but enough about the number.

I mean, I guess the big change across every device

is liquid glass.

- Liquid

glass.

What a fun name and a funky name at the same time.

Like what kind of liquid?

Like glass, is glass liquid?

I'm trying to think, like, are you spilling something on the glass?

I don't like to get water or anything liquid on my iPhone,

but now it's being incorporated into the operating system.

All the jokes aside, I'm really excited about it.

Anytime that there's, like, a big major difference.

Like, we remember the first days of the iPhone with the, I mean, at the time it was amazing,

the skeuomorphism, like, or whatever, however that word goes.

But like the notebook looked like a notebook.

And I

remember it was yellow legal pages.

And it was just weird how that was so new at the time.

But we look back on that now, we're thinking, what were we thinking?

Like, that's ridiculous now.

I actually think that's an interesting point to bring up, though, because early iPhones, and to a certain degree, the iPad 2, people were still getting used to them.

You know, people were

moving from flip

phones to an iPhone.

And the

idea with the screen mechanism

is it was something that was familiar.

And so if you, you know, this would look like, you know, the notepad sort of looked like this yellow notepad that you might use in real life and you would have wood finish.

But I think we're past that. People are comfortable with their

devices.

We don't need to look like an object in the real world.

And so it brings to this idea that, you know, you're sort of joking around about liquid glass.

What is that?

But I think it makes sense that we're now in a world where Apple doesn't have to mimic something in the real world.

Absolutely.

They

can be

inspired by the real world, inspired by glass, inspired by liquid, but use something

that's just completely perfect for a digital device.

And those two words, you know, the glass part is the fact that it's see-through, which looks

interesting, but it's got a functional aspect of it too.

And the perfect example is you're scrolling through a website on your iPhone.

You

know, the iPhone screen is, even if you have a larger one like I do, the Max version,

it's only so big.

Yeah. You

want to see

as much website as possible. And so when you're scrolling with the liquid glass interface buttons and stuff, they either go away completely.

Right. They

pop up. They're small and you can see through them.

Or if you're using the photos app, you see as much as possible of what's underneath. Right.

Which I like. But it's not just glass because, you know, glass is obviously, you know, can't, you know, is hard.

You want something that can flow around and change sizes because you want it to go from a bigger menu to a smaller menu to go around completely.

We've seen this for the last year or two with the very top.

If you've got the modern iPhones that has the what's it called at the top, the status area up there, the island, the island that will sort of change shapes to make two

things or one

thing.

So we've seen early versions of that.

But this sort of brings it to the next stage.

And one of the things that I thought was interesting, one of the interviews I linked to this week, it was the Tom's Guide interview of Apple executive

Greg Federici,

is that

they were inspired by the Vision Pro.

I've got my Vision Pro to the side here.

Yeah.

Because when Apple came out with the Vision Pro interface,

they needed something that you need to be able to see a menu, you know, or see an app.

But because it's augmented reality, you want to see the real world, too.

You've got to see through it.

And so they think, you know, you don't want to completely block things.

So they were working on the Vision Pro interface and they said, we want to have as much possible see-through.

Additionally, in the Vision Pro, because it's sort of 3D, if you turn, you want to be able to see that it's not just flat, that it's sort of got some depth to it.

And you see that in the Vision

Pro.

So they came

up with the idea there first and then they said, we can be inspired by that.

It's not a copy.

It's not the same way.

But we can put it onto the iPad and the iPhone so that things have sort of layers in them.

And if you're looking straight on, you won't see it.

But as you're turning your iPhone and your iPad,

you'll sort of see that these are

as if they were layers on top of each other,

which gives it a little bit of depth.

And it's interesting for the liquid.

So I think liquid glass is a great name

because the liquid is the idea

that it can change around the glass,

but then it's also sort of just like when,

if you have a piece of glass in the real world,

as you move, you'll see the light catches it

in

different ways and it's

that same effect.

So I think it's functional, but it's beautiful.

And it's nice time for a change

because it's been a dozen years

since we had the flat

interface.

So I think it's time for a change.

But remember when they did the flat interface.

- That was I/O7, right?

- Yeah, that

was just on the iPhone and the iPad.

- That's right.

- And

then eventually elements of that came to the Mac.

But now Apple's all in.

I mean, they've said it's going to be on the iPhone,

the iPad, the

Mac,

the watch, the vision,

the TV,

it's everywhere.

And so they're going all in.

The fact that you were talking, we heard people talking about the vision OS was inspiring,

like sort of the new way everything was going to look.

And I had some doubts about that.

And I'm like, how is that going to be?

But what you just explained there and other people have kind of shown is you're right.

Like it's glass in the sense that with that vision OS, you have to see through.

Now, I feel like in order to understand this fully on the phone, you have to see it in action.

So you and I have seen many videos already this week where people have, you know,

gotten a hold of the developers beta

and they've gone through and looked.

I think I even just was watching Marques Brownlee

where he was showing like the, to your point,

like if I go into my Safari browser right now on the iPhone,

there is, I don't know what, about a sixth

or an eighth of the screen at the very bottom

that's taken up that I can't see through.

Now when I scroll up, it kind of goes away in heights.

But what he was showing, what Marques was showing

is that that's now gonna be a floating,

almost like a glass-like object on top.

And as you go through, it stays light

if the background is light,

or maybe it's the other way around.

Maybe the floating glass element is dark

when the background is light, and then the opposite.

Like, in other words, it changes.

And I guess maybe that's where the liquid aspect comes in.

It's just that it's fluid and it can adjust

maybe in the way that it sees.

Now, again, this is the very, very, very beginning

of what it's gonna look like.

And there's gonna be multiple changes

over the next four to five months, right?

before it

comes out.

But these are just folks that are starting

that developer beta.

But I do like that idea that I think I'm starting

to get a little bit more comfortable with the glass component.

But I just quickly point out as well,

there's been a lot of people that have said,

this doesn't look all that great.

It doesn't work for the best readability.

And even the question comes up all the time with,

what about accessibility?

If you can't

read it.

Now you linked to something I think quickly from Dan Moore,

where they're gonna give you a few choices on this, right?

Like with the tab bar, for example,

or some of the aspects on some of this layout here,

that you can make sure that some of this is changed.

And it sounds like that Apple is going to make sure

that they accommodate even the accessibility requirements

from like poor vision, that kind of a thing.

Any

thoughts on that?

- There's two types of changes going on

simultaneously.

Liquid glass is the new look,

but then additionally, there's interfaces

that are going to compliment liquid

glass.

The places that menus show up.

And as Dan points

out that if, you know,

some people just don't like change,

they want it the way things were.

And if you want it to be as close as possible,

and I don't belittle that,

'cause it takes, you know, things to time.

If you want to go back to sort of the way

that things were before,

but with the liquid gas interface,

for many apps, as Dan Warren pointed out in that post,

you'll be able to do that.

And Apple will even tell you,

when you first update to the operating system

and you first use certain apps,

there's actually a pop-up screen that comes up

and says, "Do you want to use

it this way or that way?"

- Okay,

okay, good.

- I've just heard people talking about

that

Beta so Apple is going to ease people into it which is good but I do think

that we are definitely moving in the right direction and and you mentioned

something else before about how a few people have been saying oh I don't like

the new liquid glass most of the reviews have been positive but anytime you do

something bold

yes you're gonna get detractors

and that's fine and we will

get to the point where at first some people were like it's great some people

were like I don't know and then a year or so in people are gonna get used to it

and it'll be great.

One of the things people,

just quickly, we can move on,

but one of the options is going to be

that while we now have colored icons

that are not see-through,

one of the options in Liquid Glass

is that you can make all of your icons clear

so that they're all see-through on there.

And that's

what some people were saying,

like, how are you going to know?

Because I'm so used to seeing the colored icons now

that it's going to be hard to adjust that.

But I feel like, again,

some of that is just,

we got to wait to see exactly what happens

It's very early stages of developer beta,

but we'll see how

that goes.

- It just shows that people like to customize things.

And if you've got a really cool background image

and you just wanna have see-through icons,

we already have the option right now

that you can turn on or off the

titles underneath the apps.

Because many people are like, "I know where my apps are.

I don't need to

see the words under it."

And so likewise, if you just want to have a bold look

for your iPhone, maybe not for me,

but for some people, sure, yeah, that's great.

- Yeah, here, you posted earlier this week.

- That's a good picture, yeah.

- Tuesday, "Why Lawyers Will Love iOS

26 on iPadOS, which you always do right after this,

which is great.

But here's the screenshot.

You put in a screenshot here to show exactly

what I'm talking about.

Whereas on the far right there,

that's what we're all used to.

The middle is sort of,

I think you can get some of that today with iOS 18, right?

You can sort of tint your icon.

- The

dark mode,

yeah.

- And they'll go dark mode.

But on the far left is like that clear.

Like, I don't even know what that means

to be honest with you, Jeff.

Like I can see, I can read,

I have to have the language, the words underneath it

in order to be able to see it there.

but it'll be interesting to see how that works.

Okay, well enough about the look.

Let's get into some of the changes.

There's so much.

We've already been talking about iOS 26,

but that was one of the biggest changes, obviously.

Where do you want to start with iOS 26?

I mean, there's so much.

Let's talk about phone

calls,

which is almost funny for me

because even though the word phone,

the letters in the word phone

take up almost all the letters of the word iPhone,

the phone is the least important thing about the phone, right?

We use it for phone, we use it for texting,

we use it for email.

That's a great point.

But you do get phone calls,

and as a lawyer, I do get lots of phone calls,

And Apple is trying to make that less annoying and easier to do.

So there's a new interface for the phone app.

And that's one of the things that

you have lots of options.

But let's

put that aside.

I think the real interesting part is the call screening functions and the hold assist.

So that when someone is calling you that you don't know, you have options on what you can do.

And, you know, already, Brett, if somebody

calls me and

I don't know who it is,

nine times out of ten, unless I think maybe like a doctor's office is calling me or something like that,

I just say, you know what, you go to voicemail.

Yeah.

And I like the visual voicemail feature that we've had for

a while.

Yeah.

But most people

hang up because they're spam calls.

Right.

If it's

a real person and they start to leave in a voicemail that matters,

then I could even pick up the phone and talk to them, or at least I can see who it is.

But we're going to go one step beyond that.

If it will screen things, if it doesn't know who it is,

you have the option of a little automated thing will come on and say,

who are you and what are you calling about?

It'll be more polite than that.

And then on my end, I can actually see,

"Oh, this is John Doe, he's calling about,

I'm here to install the new meter or something like that.

Oh, okay, I see

you are,

let me pick up this phone call and talk to you."

But it's gonna

reduce annoyances.

And the thing is, if

you have this turned on,

your phone doesn't even ring until it's done that screening.

It's like having your own receptionist built into the iPhone.

And then the other thing that I love is the hold assist.

- Yes, thank you. - 'Cause we've all done that before.

You're changing something with your cable bill

or the phone, or the airline or whatever,

and you're on hold forever, and it's aggravating,

and it's like, am I gonna hold my phone up and wait?

So it detects, your iPhone detects that you're on hold,

and it says, you know what, you go do your stuff.

I'll

take this one for you.

And it just takes over, and you can put your phone down.

And when that other person comes back on,

your iPhone will tell them, excuse me one minute.

- Yeah.

- Jeff Richardson will be back in a moment.

- No, no, I wouldn't put them on hold.

- Exactly.

- Thank you for picking up,

but now you're gonna be on hold.

- Yeah, and you know, for years now,

some companies have had a feature that say,

when you're on hold, you know,

we think you'll be on hold for 30 for two minutes,

we can call you back when it's your turn online,

which is a great idea, but I always wonder like,

are you really gonna call

me back?

I

don't know, can I

trust you?

This

is the perfect in-between,

that way I'm still on hold as far as you're concerned,

but I can go about my business.

So it's a silly feature,

but I actually think it's gonna be fun.

I

like it. - I love it.

My first thought, I'm so skeptical about some of these things, Joe.

It's like, as soon as companies learn how to do this, they're going to deviously,

like, if they are put on hold, they're just going to hang up.

I mean, right?

I mean, I don't know.

I love it from our standpoint, but I don't know from the business standpoint.

We'll have to see.

If they're going to adopt that.

Like, if they say, I'm going to put you on hold, they're just going to hang up.

Even though I've been on hold with them for an hour and 15 minutes.

As if that doesn't happen in real life.

but you've been on hold for

25 minutes and

you had to get--

- I know, I know.

- Anyway.

- Okay, but those are great things.

Those call features are fantastic.

What's next?

What would you like to go to next?

- I mean, there's little things,

the group typing indicators, you're in messages.

And if you're talking to one person,

you can see the three dots that they're about to text you.

- I

love that.

- But when you have multiple people,

you can't tell currently,

and that's gonna change the future.

So that's just one of those small little things of,

you know, I'm about to type something,

but I can see that Joe is about to type something

and Jane's about to type.

Let me let them go first.

- How

that's gonna work though.

What if you've got 10, 15 people in a group?

I think I

saw a preview that...

It's going to be multiple.

I actually think it shows a little circle of their face with the typing thing.

So you can tell these two people are about to type something, or these three people.

We'll see how it works in real life.

It's

a tiny thing,

but I think it's a good one.

Maybe the next one I want to talk about is the visual intelligence on screenshots.

Yes, yes.

Not only because of the feature,

but because of what it means.

Now let's step back

for a second.

Please, explain.

One year ago, WWDC 2024.

for, it seemed like two-thirds of the whole conference was artificial intelligence. Maybe

I'm exaggerating, but I think it was a

good 20 minutes of it. It

was a lot. And ironically,

some of the things Apple announced, they did come out with, but they were all the low-hanging fruit,

things like just summarizing notifications. The really cool stuff that they announced last year

did not come out over the course of the year. And in fact, it's still not ready. Apple has said it's

going to probably be early 2026. And the one I'm most notably thinking about is a new version of

hate to say the word, but Siri, that will have AI incorporated into it. Hopefully nobody's

phones just went off. That will have AI incorporated into it. So it's a lot more helpful.

That's awesome. Especially because Apple previewed something last year that it would be smart enough

to know what is on your iPad, what is on your phone.

So

it could give you personalized responses

with all of the AI taking place on your device.

So there's no privacy

concerns about sending your

personal information out to the cloud. That's not ready yet. And so because they have a little bit

of a black eye from last year, I was curious, how much is Apple going to talk about AI in this

conference, in the keynote? And to their credit, they started with it.

And

they start up front.

They say, look, this is the elephant in the room. We're going to talk about it quickly.

They talked about a few things, but then they went on. But what I noticed, and this is what

brings it into this feature. Apple is not treating AI like it's AI for the sake of AI. You know,

you think of like ChatGPT. It's a question bot. You go there. You're specifically in there.

What they're saying is You specifically have to go there.

You go there. And Jaws and Craig have been

on record on this interview you put. Like it's something else you have to go to. Like I'm sitting

there thinking, oh, well, I want to research that. I have to go to ChatGPT.com. I have to go to

the chat bot interact with that separately than whatever I was doing.

Yeah and I understand that

I mean here

at my own law firm we are about to adopt this new AI tool

that will allow us to take

you know documents and briefs and throw it into that interface

it's all secure and ask

questions

I mean there is something to be said for that but what interests me even more is when you take AI

and you just bring it into everyday life and so things like we'll talk about the translation in a

second as an example of it or this one here we all know you know taking screenshots is something

most people are comfortable with that you know you hold down the buttons on the

side you take a picture of what's on your screen maybe I want to send that

picture to you in a text message right or maybe I want to save it in my photos

because there's something on my screen I

just want to save this so I don't go

back to the web page in the future I've just I'm

just saving it

but now you'll

still have all those options at the top to save it to your photos or to send it

right but at the bottom you will have these options to look at what's in the

picture and it will use many of the things actually use chat GPT which is

currently excellent on this and so it can be something silly like hey I love that that blazer

that you're wearing right now but I would love to buy one so that I can be your twin you can say

where can I purchase one just like right or if there is some text on the screen you know maybe

you took a picture of a sign that talks about a concert date it will say oh there's a concert at

this date at this time do you want me to make a calendar entry out of that and it will do all of

these intelligent things and it's great and what I like about it is it's purposeful a couple a year

ago, Microsoft announced a feature and then pulled it back where I forget what it was

called reflection like that. They were going to pay attention to everything going on on

your Windows

computer at all times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's

like, Oh, I've been watching everything

you've been doing. And so I can answer questions about it. In theory, that sounds interesting.

In practice. Oh, my goodness, that's creepy. You know, it's like, do I really want you?

No, thank you. I know you

theoretically can see what I'm doing because you are my computer,

but it's creepy. And so this is purposeful. You know, you take that screenshot and you're

that decides, I want you to take a look at this

and see if you can

help me with it. And yes, it uses AI, but it's the AI is in the background. And Apple has example of example of this is this is really what I want for the future because AI is going to be transformative. We're at the beginning. I feel like it's I mean, when the when the first iPhone came out, and most of us were still using flip phones or early versions of smartphones, you know, very few people had those initial iPhones, right? But we could see the future was coming. Absolutely. It was going to be and now everybody has an iPhone. And this is where we are with

AI it's still baby steps yeah the stuff we have is

very cool yeah but

we are going to get to the

point where it's everywhere underneath everything and you don't you can go to a chat bot like chat

gpt if you want to but it's just part of making your every life better and this this is what apple

announced that this is the big thing for me they announced this week is that they're just using it

behind the scenes

um there are several areas where ai was absolutely acknowledged to be part of this

but one thing is quickly I just want to point out and to your point even that we're on the very

beginning of this one of the things that Apple did announce for the developers in the crowd

was the fact that they could have access to the Apple intelligence tools on the actual device and

so as an app developer now I'm not pointing to me because I don't develop apps but if you were an

app developer the fact that you could access that now the fact that Apple is opening that up that to

just says, wow, this is the cusp. I mean, I can imagine this entire week the developers

would be just going nuts about that. Because if they can have access to some of that information,

they can start incorporating that into the apps that are their own apps as opposed to

the Apple apps. This is

my favorite AI announcement this

week. Oh, good. And let me tell you why.

I already have a few apps because developers have started to do it. I'll give you an example.

PDF Expert, which is from Rito. That's my app on my iPad

that I use

for all my PDF files.

It has a feature right now that's AI that I can say,

I have a one, as an attorney, I have like a hundred page

document and somewhere in here, they talk about some type

of clause.

I can say, I just want you to use the AI

and give

it a second.

It runs through the AI and now, okay, now I know everything

about the document.

I know everything about this contract and I can ask questions.

What does the contract do in this type of circumstance?

And it's much more complicated than a find feature.

It just looks for

specific words.

It understands concepts and

it can say, well, you know,

clause 2.2 would do this but also don't forget the clause 3.6 might address it

because of this and like oh it's sort of a helpful thing

it's really cool yeah

the

way that PDF expert does that is they take your document they send it off to

the cloud I mean I trust them but it's open AI it's you know those sorts of

things and they have to pay for that

and because

they have to pay for it you only

get it if you have the paid version

for there's for

some of these apps there's a

limit to how many questions you can ask right it's an okay limit but it's still

limit. What Apple is saying is, hey, developers, just use our on-device AI. Number one, it's free.

Now, it may not be quite as sophisticated for now as, you know, chat GPT type open AI stuff,

but it's good enough for these types of questions. And it stays on device. It's private. So I don't

have to worry about,

you know, maybe

the contract, maybe this is a draft of the contract, Brett.

Maybe I'm not ready to send it to the other side yet. Do I necessarily trust where it's going in

the internet. No, I want all of my AI to be on device. So it's private. It's confidential.

It's secure. It's also technically a little faster because there's no latency, not that

there's much latency

to that. Exactly.

This is so wonderful. And best of all, as creative

as Apple is in coming up with things to do with AI, and we have more to talk about. They

can't think of everything, right? They can't think of every case. You know, we as lawyers,

we have lawyer-y type things we want to do with AI. Apple's not lawyer. I mean, believe

me, Apple has lawyers and they need them nowadays. That's a whole nother topic. They

You know, a developer that focuses on lawyers or a doctor, a developer that focuses on medicine,

they can say, this is what I want to do with AI and I'm going to tap into this.

And so this is not one AI feature.

This is opening the door to

countless.

So I think that was my favorite of all the AI related announcements, that announcement

for developers who use the on-device system.

I think

that's the best.

Can I just point out quickly to piggyback on that?

I think that the iPhones are the best devices situated to be able to handle this kind of

of thing because of that neural engine that's been on these at every and we've been talking about

this for a long time and everybody's a little exasperated that it's taken so long for Apple to

kind of you know get up to speed on some of this but I think they have just continued to build this

foundation uh anyway that that this this will be exciting so let's get back quickly to visual

intelligence because what that means from there we've had visual intelligence that you could take

your camera and put it at like a restaurant

sign or something yeah I can do it right

now you can

It doesn't even translate

language, but the fact that it now incorporates something into the screenshots that you can pull up

is just

amazing.

To your point, I think I see a lot of people using it because they use this example, right?

You can take a screenshot of somebody wearing a coat or a pair of pants or something, and you can just tap on that and say, show me where that is.

Or frankly, even yesterday, we were walking around in City Park here in New Orleans, and my daughter was looking at different trees and plants because she wanted to know what they were.

Now, some of that's already built in and baked in.

There's apps that you can do all that.

But I just think having that capability even more accessible through screenshots is going to be very cool.

Another AI feature coming to the iPhone that I love is the live translation.

Yes.

And we have

seen so

many companies have been moving towards this world.

The example I always think about, and I've mentioned this in the past in the podcast,

is when I was a teenager, I used to love reading these Douglas Adams Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy books.

Right.

One of

the things, you know, so many, how many times in history have the best cool ideas

in science originally come from science fiction, right?

You know, way back when people were talking about walking around with a tablet device,

now we have the iPad.

Way back when in the Douglas Adams movies, and he would talk about this thing called

a babble fish, which was actually an animal.

He's like, you would put it in your ear and the fish would know every language.

And so when you're going to the alien worlds, they might be speaking alien language X and

the fish would translate it.

But the idea is that you can talk with people with other languages and it's all being translated live.

We've been moving towards

there for a while.

It's coming.

Google's had some cool stuff

for you.

But now Apple's going to have it.

So they're going to use this on-device AI.

So it's totally private.

It's not sending your conversations anywhere else.

And so if I'm texting with you and you speak French or German or Spanish or Chinese, that's okay.

Because I can just say yes to turn the feature on.

And every text I send to you will be translated.

And when you write back to me, it'll be translated.

so we can have our conversation in text messages.

Plus, it can also work with a phone call.

And they showed off this fun example

where this girl is talking to her, maybe her grandmother.

- Her French grandmother, that's right.

- And she's helping

her with the recipe,

and the grandmother is speaking French,

and she can hear the French words,

and as soon as she pauses,

it then speaks the language in English,

so that in real time,

and the other person doesn't even have to have an

iPhone

for this, it is doing

the translations.

We've been, I'm sure you've traveled internationally

and you're trying to make a reservation on the phone.

And like, I have no idea what they're saying.

I think we're going to dinner at seven o'clock tonight,

but I have no idea.

This could help with all of that stuff.

And it just brings us all closer.

- Yeah.

- One thing that they haven't done,

and I see you have this in our show notes,

you said, but not AirPods.

It makes so much sense for this to be built

into AirPods.

- That would be a battle fish in your ear.

- Here's my theory. - It's very calm.

- I think it's purposeful that Apple

did not announce the AirPods. - Oh really?

- Here's what I think.

There's a rumor that they're coming out

with the next version of the AirPods this fall.

I

like that.

- So when they have the iPhone,

they'll have new

AirPods.

- Yeah.

- And if I'm, if I was a betting name.

- It's gotta be on.

- I'm saying the next version of the

AirPods Pro

is

gonna have something so that as I'm listening,

I will be talking to, you know, Manuel

and he'll be speaking Spanish and I'll

be speaking English

and it will

happen live.

This is coming, is it coming in 2025 or 2026?

I don't know, but I mark

my word.

- It better be new AirPods Pro this year.

- Because this is what you can do with

having on-device AI

and I'm here for it.

I'm excited.

- Yeah, and just quickly, I wanna mention that

because people get excited about like,

oh, it's the new keynote from Apple,

but this is the WWDC.

So it's more of the focus on the things

we're talking about now with like the operating systems.

They didn't announce a new watch.

They didn't announce a new iPad.

They didn't announce new AirPods Pro,

but those are typically announcements

reserved for the fall.

This is where the audience here is for developers.

So I just wanna point that out to folks

because I know that that's something a lot of people,

even my son was like, oh man, I want a new Apple watch.

I'm like, they're not going to talk about that right now.

This is

going to be the operating system on there.

Let's get a few more fun things on iPhone before we move on

to the next platform.

I love this feature in Apple Music called Auto Mix, which is just fun.

And what this is, is we all have been in a club with a DJ.

They

seamlessly move from one

song to the next to the next, and there's no gaps in songs.

They know when do you transition from the first song to the next.

Your iPhone, not only does it have this built-in receptionist to screen your calls,

it's got a built-in DJ.

There's a lot of people in there.

It's very busy in

the iPhone.

And so this built-in DJ can sort of seamlessly go from song to song,

keep the beats the same.

I mean, it's a silly little thing.

We'll see how this works.

If you're having a party in your house with background music going on,

I think it's a cool thing.

And it's so computationally complex to do this.

And they're just doing it.

They're just showing off.

It's like, oh, yeah, we can do this.

I love it.

It's a

cool thing.

We'll see.

We'll see how it goes.

A story from Julie Clover from Mac Room was talking about this.

And I think it's going to be good.

Some of this is in some certain playlists

in like Spotify right now, I get that.

But what they showed off was like,

it's not just the fact that you're transitioning

to a different song,

but you've got to keep that same beat going on there, right?

And

that can

be an important component on there

as well.

- Yeah, and I'm sure that's how it's gonna work.

Let's do two quick

features and then we're gonna move on.

- Let's do an easy segue to something else.

- I want to talk quickly about our airlines.

We always fly.

- Yes.

- Spaces, you just flew to New Orleans.

The boarding pass in your wallet, it's a cool feature.

- Yeah.

- That we've had that for a while.

- Love it.

- It's gonna be updated in the next version.

that your

boarding pass can update live

with changes.

So as you're, and there are third party apps

that do a lot of this now, but it'll be built in.

And then right there on your lock screen,

you can sort of see how long do I have

before I board the plane.

Again, I currently

use a third party

app

called Flighty for this, but that'll all be built in.

So that's gonna be much better.

That's really cool.

And I also wanna talk,

and this is sort of a transition thing, spatial scenes.

So for a long time, we took a photo

and it was just a photo.

And then a couple of years ago, Apple said,

well, let's take a tiny bit of video with the photo.

And so if you want, I mean, we have this now,

you hold down your finger on the picture

and you see like the five seconds of video.

And I think of it as like the Harry Potter feature,

'cause it's like the pictures are moving and stuff.

And it's sort of cool.

Sometimes you go back to a memory and you're like,

oh, that's really neat.

The next step is to make it sort of seem 3D,

like you're there.

And this is something that I've had on my Vision Pro

for the next year, for the last year,

a early version of it, where in my Vision Pro,

I can take a picture that was taken using a regular camera

and give it about two or three seconds,

and it could make a 3D version of the picture

so that it looks, it's got this depth.

And it's artificial, so

it doesn't look 100% realistic,

but it looks 95% realistic, enough that you can look at it.

And old pictures of my grandmother who's passed away,

and you see them again, and it has the depth to it,

and it's like, this is cool.

So that

was cool, but that was version one.

Version two is what Apple's now calling a spatial scene.

Spatial scenes.

Which

is the same idea of something that's 3D,

but it also has different layers.

It's this layering idea we talked about

before.

And so it's like this part of the picture

is like around this layer.

And this part is here and this part is here.

And because of the layers,

you will be able to, when you're wearing your Vision Pro,

and we'll get to that in a second, you can move around,

but they're bringing it to the iPhone and the iPad.

So

I would keep looking--

- The examples they showed were incredible.

- So I'm looking at a picture of, you know,

maybe it's my kids or maybe it's my grandmother

from 30 years ago.

And as I turn my phone,

it will be like you're sort of moving around

and looking at it.

And it's a cool

effect.

Is it a gimmick?

Sure.

But

it's one that has emotional impact.

I know from my

vision.

You've seen that before.

So I

love that it's coming to the iPhone.

It's going to, you know, you're not going to necessarily want it for every picture.

And you decide when you turn it on, you can turn it off if you don't like it.

But it just is something to up up that emotional level.

And it's cool

stuff.

Okay, real quick.

I want to just bring this up too.

Changes to the camera interface

and

the photos interface.

Yeah.

That was a big deal when we went to iOS 18.

the photos interface like changed pretty dramatically.

- Yeah, and it's gotten a little complicated.

- It has gotten complicated.

In fact, sometimes I have to scroll around

to see exactly what I'm looking for.

And I love the fact,

we'll see what this eventually looks like

in the camera interface.

But I hate when I go to the camera,

I have to like, do I want a video, video or a photo?

And I have to swipe back and forth.

There's gonna be a simplified button at the bottom.

- I love it.

- Okay, so all of the features will still be available

from what I've heard so far.

It's just, you gotta, it may not be as intuitive.

Somebody was saying to actually find those,

you have to like swipe up in the middle of the screen

or something like that.

But I love the idea that I can just jump in

and tap photo or video immediately

and go right to

what I need.

- Because that's what you want.

I mean, when you pick up your phone,

that's the binary choice you face.

Am I taking a picture?

Am I taking a video?

- Right, right.

- All the other stuff,

am I doing a panorama or a space, you know,

it's still there.

If you scroll from side to side, that

will show up.

But the main thing that you want to know

when you jump into the camera app is just that question.

And so they bring you right there.

I think it's a great development.

I can't wait

to have that in your life.

All right, we're only 45 minutes in, and we've fully talked about the iPhone.

Let's get moving.

Well,

okay, let's talk about CarPlay, which is technically

part of iOS.

It's part of iOS, that's right.

Because your iPhone connects to your CarPlay thing.

It's going to have the new interface.

Of all the features they have, I mean, there's just one that I think is really cool,

which is the widgets feature.

And I love this because, you know, I have in my office this little device from Anchor

that I sort of set up at my desk, and I put my iPhone on top of it.

And when my iPhone sitting

on it, I can love that.

And I just glance and I can see the time.

I can see widgets.

I can see, you know, the calendar entries and I've listened to a podcast.

It's got like the stuff there.

I love that that standby feature that you can use when your phone is connected to MagSafe.

That those same widgets are now going to work in CarPlay.

And I think it's literally the same widgets, which means like

they already

work today.

Yeah,

they even if you're running a beta, they already will work.

And so it just gives you a whole lot more options in your car, which is great because unlike the

iPhone where there are a bajillions of apps, when it comes to CarPlay, there's a decent number of

apps, but they're all curated and you have to go through an approval process. And so a lot of

developers don't have an app for the car, but they may have a widget for standby. And so they'll

suddenly come in. And so if you want to have a widget of, you know, when is the rain coming next,

or you know how far it could be live activities too you know how far away I'm driving to the

airport to pick up my wife how far is her plane from landing that

could be legit that's

all just

sort of shows up there and you can decide and so as I understand it you're going to have like three

different interfaces you'll have the main interface in CarPlay you swipe and you'll have the widgets

and you swipe again and then you'll have the individual apps so that's going to make that's

going to be cool there's other features in CarPlay too but that was the big

one one of the most

One of the most important CarPlay features that we can't overlook is that it's coming to F1 races cars.

That's how they started off the whole thing.

Craig Federighi racing around Apple Loop.

I thought it was great.

I

loved it.

And he took his helmet off.

And, of course, he's got the Craig Federighi Air Force One going on there.

And then he was racing a golf cart around Cupertino a little bit after that.

Right?

Anyway, I just had

to point that out.

Those are fun videos, even at the beginning.

Hey, since we're talking about F1, we should mention this is an iPhone

thing.

But you know, the big F1 movie comes

out in like three weeks,

but they have a trailer that you can watch, no big deal.

But what is a big deal is when you watch the trailer

on your iPhone, it uses the haptic engine in it.

- It was

so cool.

- So, I mean, as the cars are revving up,

your iPhone is actually shaking.

Totally gimmicky, totally fun.

- I thought it was

great.

- I'm there for it.

It adds to the video.

It's a fun thing.

Hopefully we'll see more of this.

- I had no interest in seeing a movie about F1 racing

Before any of this, but I got to tell you now, this week, I'm like, I can't wait for this movie to come out.

I want to go see this.

The initial

reviews have been good.

I saw one

review.

I'm excited.

It was a woman who says, I know nothing about car racing or F1, but it was a great movie.

So I'm like, okay, well, that's good to know.

If you can give me a haptic trailer,

I'm

there.

That's good.

Okay, how about Watch OS?

Let's move on to the watch.

Yes.

Not a ton of changes on the watch, but let's just hit some highlights.

Liquid glass is coming

to it.

Liquid glass

is coming.

The one that I've seen mixed reviews on is Workout Buddy.

So I've heard Jason Snell,

Dan Moore, and many of them are like, I

don't want this at all.

And

the other people

are like, I want it.

I, Jeff Richards, I'm here to say I

do want this.

I'm ready.

Because the thing is, you know, I try to, you know, use my treadmill and stay active.

And I like that as you're walking around or running, whatever, you can get information on your watch of like how far am I into it, what's my heart rate.

But I have to actually look at my watch and see it.

And, you know, I don't want to trip and fall on my treadmill or whatever.

So I love the idea of having it just speak to me and tell me those things in the Workout Buddy.

It's going to be more of this on-device AI.

Now, technically, this is an Apple Watch feature, but I think all the processing

work is coming

on your iPhone, which is going through your watch to you.

But it's encouraging.

And I know it's gamification.

Things like the circles on my Apple Watch.

Does anybody

care that I got my closed circles today?

Nobody but me.

I might sometimes brag to you.

Thank you

for pretending like you care if I send you something.

I know you really don't care.

But I care, and I like just sort of, you know, helping me to give

encouragement.

And so having a little workup buddy, someone that's going to talk in my

ear as

I'm running, you know, you just got the, you know, one mile down, 16 to go, whatever it is.

I like that.

It

is a little cheesy.

I think it's going to be good.

But it helps.

Yes.

It does.

Because, you know, and to me, this is just the next sort of a next stage or an out of stage access of what Apple Fitness already does.

because I love running with like Scott,

Coach Scott is like the treadmill coach

or Coach Emily is one of the other treadmill coaches.

And as you're watching that,

they're doing a lot of the same thing,

but now it's just separated, I think,

from an actual Apple Fitness workout.

But it was funny, we were listening to that

and they were talking about the workout, buddy.

You and I were texting each other and I'm like,

wait, that's Coach Emily.

Like I recognize the voice,

even though it's supposed to be AI generated,

but they did say it was based on the actual coaches.

Yeah, the

actual coaches in the Apple

and the Fitness Plus program,

they digitized their voices for this.

I'll tell you a little Coach Emily story.

Yes?

She can be encouraging.

I was listening to Coach Emily

years ago.

Yeah, she is.

It's when you're on the treadmill, right?

As I was on the treadmill,

and she's like, push it harder, push it harder, and I did.

And that was when I went so fast on my treadmill that I ended up spending my Achilles 10.

You know how I had a cast like two years ago?

I blame Coach Emily because she encouraged me to go faster.

I went a little too fast.

I was in a cast.

It was not good.

So I have a love-hate relationship with Coach Emily right now.

She's a little too encouraging.

- I need a different workout buddy.

- I need a workout buddy that's

a little more tang, okay?

Maybe don't go too fast, Jeff.

Let's not break anything, okay?

But anyway, that's my coach.

- Okay,

wrist flick gesture.

- This is cool, yeah.

- That was the other thing.

- Because sometimes I will be, you know,

working or using your hands,

I'm in the kitchen,

and there'll be, I love the fact that things can come up on it,

but sometimes like, okay, I'm done with that.

I

just wanna go back

to the screen.

But like, or I need to just say it's okay.

- But I can't tap away.

- Because I have something, you know what I'm gonna do?

I'm embarrassed, I'm sure you do, everyone does this.

We don't like to say it

sometimes like tap with my nose I know that's stupid it's like a finger it's

like a finger it works so but what you'll be able to do with the next

version of watchOS 26 is just flick and like

it's

gonna go away

oh that's I

think it's gonna be great that's really good

one last thing

I'll say about the

watch is they have the smart widgets on the watch which can come up if you

scroll from the bottom they'll come up

and different widgets

come up depending

upon what you're doing

yeah now

in 26 right on your watch screen at the very

bottom there'll be a little indicator if there's something that we think we might

whether

it's a weather alert.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, good.

- And so you'll just

be able to tap that

and go to the widget.

It'll just surface it

a little bit more.

- I like that.

- So anything else big you wanna talk about?

- No, good.

I mean,

that's good.

- Okay, speaking of quick,

we can just very quickly say tvOS.

- Yes.

- You know, there's not a lot of,

Apple doesn't change things on the Apple TV very often.

They have the new interface, of course.

- Yeah.

- They've

got a new karaoke thing that you can use.

- Karaoke, Jeff, come on.

- Sing to your

iPhone.

- Next time we do this in person,

we're gonna have to do tvOS.

- Yeah.

As your microphone.

And it'll hear it through

the TV.

Apple TV karaoke.

For the preteens in your life, this will be wonderful.

No offense,

Preppy.

You and I do not need to sing any

songs together.

But who knows?

Maybe after a couple drinks one night, you never know.

Other than

that, I've

heard some people don't like the liquid glass on the TV.

I feel like, again, that's something we've got to see

evolve

a little bit on how that goes across.

But otherwise, I think that was the bit.

Oh, quickly.

The fact that you can link your Apple logins with an Apple account.

So I'm hoping that what this means is I don't have to remember my Hulu account, my Disney Plus account, my YouTube account, my HBO Max account, because I can link all of those logins with my Apple account, which means when I log into the television with my Apple account, I should theoretically be logged into all

of those.

I think that's what it means.

That would be wonderful.

Okay.

So that's another good thing.

Okay.

So we still have the Mac, the Vision Pro, the iPad.

I know.

Let's do the Mac real quick.

I'll do the Mac real quick.

You're more of a Mac person than me.

So you guys.

I very

much am thrilled with some of these Mac improvements.

It remains to be seen.

Liquid glass means that now you can see my Mac menu bar up here has a, I can see it distinguished.

You can see the colorization of it.

But theoretically now it's just going to be glass.

So I can see through that it's not even going to have like an actual bar up there.

We'll see how that goes.

The fact that I can change and customize the colors of my folders now, that's going to be a

pretty big deal.

That's on the iPad too, by the way.

That's going to be fun.

It is.

We'll get to the iPad in just a minute because I think that's one of the biggest things.

Continuity updates.

I already like the fact that I can access my iPhone now from my Mac.

I know that sounds a little

crazy and weird, but what I can't see is I can't see if there's

any live updates on my iPhone in my Mac, and they're bringing that now.

I love this continuity idea across

so

many things going on.

That's going to be good.

Things like this, Brett.

I hate the fact that we use PCs at my law firm.

I know.

I know.

You've mentioned that.

Most

law firms do.

But like, I feel like I wish that,

'cause I use my iPad next to my PC

and my work like all day long. - Right, I know you do.

- I

wish they could seamlessly interact

the way that when I'm at home with my Mac,

they can do that.

And it's just amazing.

- If you're lucky enough to use a Mac

as your main computer, this is fantastic.

- It's just this whole idea of all of these years

that we have separate devices.

And the fact, I mean, the way they have integrated it,

it's almost second nature to me now

that like, I love having that capability.

And even with my, I've got my iPhone, my Mac,

and my iPad right here.

And frankly, I can use my Mac cursor to go over to my iPad.

I mean, just even that, and I just love that.

Last thing quickly on the Mac, Spotlight update.

So Spotlight is the

search capability

that started on the Mac, it's on the iPad

and the iPhone, of course.

I use it all the time as really an app launcher.

So I can just do command space, brings up the Spotlight,

and you can do some of this to even in Windows, right?

It's like that full searching capability.

You can search for a file,

but I use it a way to launch an app.

So I'll type in password to launch one password.

But the fact that even incorporating

like a clipboard history tool, that's amazing.

I use a separate app altogether for that right now.

Now, some people will say this is gonna Sherlock

some of the other apps like Alfred

and some of the other tools that have been, you know,

these taskbar launches for a long time.

But I guess I'm not upset about that.

I'm just interested to see how that's gonna look.

- And you know, on that spotlight thing,

You can even do command space to bring it up real quick.

Yeah.

And then you can type, I don't remember the codes, but like if you type like this might

not literally right, but like DE for draft email.

I don't think those letters are correct, but you can type one or two letters and then type

something

and it will perform a command.

Almost like a shortcut.

It's like a shortcut.

It

used to require third party apps.

And of course, those third party apps will still exist and they'll be more sophisticated.

Yeah.

But it brings some of the power.

And again, if you're not a power user and you're not going to use this, it doesn't get

in your way.

If you want to go there, it's gonna be much more sophisticated.

I hope that we get some of that on the iPad as well,

but that's really cool.

So some neat things.

Last two things, but they're big.

Well, let's go to the Vision OS.

Okay.

I did the Mac, you do Vision OS,

because there was some pretty,

we've already talked about how that alone,

you've been saying this for a while,

I'm gonna give you credit, Jeff.

Like just the way the interface

and the interactions with the Vision OS,

we can now see are almost dribbling down.

Even the Vision OS has just been around for a

year.

But we see now that that has started to influence the way that the rest of the Apple ecosystem is going to work.

I'm

pretty excited about that.

But

that's

just on sort of a comprehensive level.

Let's dig a little deeper.

Big changes to

Vision OS.

And it would make sense that this is true.

Think back to the iPhone.

The iPhone comes out in 2007.

And a year later, they come out with this little thing called the App Store, which, of course, changes everything.

In the early days of any technology, there's so much room for growth.

And that's where we are with the Vision Pro right now.

And so we currently have Vision Pro 2, we're moving into 26, all sorts of cool things you can do.

And before I talk about specifics, let me just say that, yes, I'll be able to use these on the Vision Pro.

But I know that very few people own a Vision Pro right now.

But the ones that do love them, what we're really doing is getting towards the future,

that when they have the next version of a Vision device, you know, that hopefully at one point is the size of my glasses,

we'll already have the software, it's just

a matter of getting the hardware there.

And so

one of the things about the Vision Pro now is when I'm using the Vision Pro, I can have a window in front of me.

I can have one over here, one over there.

I just downloaded an app the other day that I'm forgetting the name of it, but it's a little widget app.

And when I'm sitting on my couch, it just sits on my side and I have the time and my battery life and stuff like that in it, which is great.

But the problem is, is I shut down my Vision Pro and turn it on again.

It's gone.

So I got to go put

it in that place again.

And so one of the changes is you'll be able to take a window or a widget or whatever it is,

and you'll say, this right here, I want you to put it on my wall and keep it on my wall.

And so as you, I mean, I don't walk around my house with the Vision Pro that much,

but if I were, like I have a clock on the wall and it just stays on the wall,

or I, you know, this big wall that has nothing on it,

I'm going to put a window that has this cool beach scene in it that's 3D

so that when I walk by, it's as if I have a cool window.

But just

the idea, or even window placement,

I want this window here, this window here, and then I can take things down and go in again,

and they're right where I put them. So that's going to be useful. And it's definitely,

and it's going to be useful today, but it's definitely a step towards a world

where we move around a lot more wearing our augmented reality devices,

which is really

cool.

So I like that. There's only one new environment. The environments are the places that you can sort

of close off the outside world and pretend like you're on the moon or at the beach.

Or Jupiter now.

That you're

on Jupiter, and it's, you know, Jupiter, whatever. But what's interesting about it is it's a

much more, there's a lot more video in it. You could like things going on in the world, in the

universe, and you can control the speed. It means we're moving from an, from these immersive

environments being something more or less static. Like the beach environment right now is beautiful

and the trees do sway and the water does ripple, but there's not a ton going on in it. The Jupiter

shows

that there'll be more.

Yeah, it is serene. More is coming in the future. So that'll be news.

We already talked about the new version of spatial pictures,

which is going

to be in the iPhone and

the iPad but will also be

definitely so

that would be very cool there's a thing

that I'll be curious how it works in reality called look to scroll that

instead of like in scrolling instead of me using my hands to pinch I can actually

look and scroll it's gonna like

go we'll

see how that how that

works is it your

eyes is okay you are one last one I'll mention

which is Apple is introducing

something they call spatial browsing where I'm using the Safari web interface

and like there is a picture on a web page I can have it that that picture is

into sort of a 3D picture and other things and developers, website creators can actually

put things in there to make it 3D.

And so, you know, who knows how much this will be, but the idea is the web browsing experience

will be enhanced for certain websites.

It's just a little bit, you know, eye candy, but it'll be sort of interesting.

But big changes come into Vision OS and I can't wait to use it.

I'm going to be using my Vision Pro a lot more.

I don't have any developer betas installed on any of my

devices because

I use my devices

to get work done.

But I am going to install

when the public beta comes out in July.

I do plan to install the public beta

of Vision OS 26 on my Vision Pro.

So I'll have more to talk about that.

Okay, two things quickly

I want to ask you about.

Apple's Vision for movie night,

two headsets, one couch.

You already mentioned this.

Somebody posted out here,

I love, it's like,

hey, it's being alone, but together.

Because

you both have to have

the Vision Pro on.

I don't think your wife has a Vision Pro.

Will she ever have a Vision Pro

as far as she's...

you're going to be able to

do this but i do like the idea that if you have it i mean you can already

watch like if i had a vision pro you and i could watch when you're in new orleans and i'm in ohio

we could watch the same thing right but the fact that you could be together and i don't know this

is going to be a little weird and yeah awkward but and

i've done things before where i'm talking to

somebody else via facetime on my vision pro across the internet and we could have like a um a

spreadsheet or a

keynote document um

when at a tech show this year when i did the uh the presentation

- With Kenton.

- With Kenton, we

prepared for it with the Vision

Pro

so that I'm looking at his little persona,

he's looking at mine,

oh we should mention the personas are new.

- That's my next question.

- That was across the internet.

But yes, you could sit down on the couch

with somebody and watch a movie,

that's interesting if you have two Vision Pros.

But what might be particularly interesting

is like more of an industrial use or a business use.

If I'm talking to someone about the new design

for something,

I

can actually see in 3D space

and he or she could have their Vision Pro

on.

- Okay, okay.

- And we're looking at

the same thing in real life.

Jason Snell got a demo of that,

and he talked about it in one of his posts

at Cupertino at Apple, where like an Apple employee had it,

and they were both looking at the same thing

and talking about it.

I, again, when these devices are cheaper

and more plentiful, I'm glad that they're taking

baby steps towards

that.

I will just say though, that facial persona,

we'll have to, we'll try this live.

- The

persona, I know.

- You

know, there was

a--

- You linked to an iJustine video.

- And when I first saw that last night on my computer,

I'm like, oh, that's her actual face?

I'm like, oh no.

It's much more realistic.

When I first had my Vision Pro about a year ago,

we had an episode of this podcast

where you had my Spatial Persona.

And that first

version, it was cool that it worked,

but it was a little

janky.

Yeah, but then it got better in Vision OS 2

and now it's gonna get better again.

And we're gonna get to the point

that when you're wearing a Vision Pro

and you're having this FaceTime communication with someone,

you don't want them to see you with the big goggles on.

They will see the Spatial Persona.

It's going to look very realistic and nice.

So that is nice.

Okay, so good.

So that was it.

Enough on the vision?

That's it for vision.

That's it for vision.

The

biggest announcements,

I think.

We've saved the best for last.

Came down to the iPad.

So fantastic.

Amazing.

I'm excited.

Although I

don't even want to call it an iPad anymore.

It

is now the new Mac laptop.

Yeah.

Is what it's coming

to.

Okay, but I digress a little bit.

Let's back up.

I

have a bias towards this because, you know,

some people just use their iPad to watch movies.

That's fine.

Nothing wrong with that.

It's great for looking at pictures really

big.

But if you use your iPad to get work done, which I do,

there's always been sort of a limit of like,

I wish I could just do this.

I could totally do that on a computer,

but I can't do it on my iPad.

And for years, it seems like Apple has been

sort of saying to themselves, don't go too far.

That's the iPad.

This is the computer.

And now somebody at Apple sort of says,

hey, buddy, it's fine.

Just let it do whatever it wants to do.

And so now in so many different ways,

they have pulled back the restraints,

which makes sense because my iPad

this M4 processor.

I mean, this is as fast a processor as

it can get. Totally, you know,

better than computers. Now let's take advantage of it. So a simple way to do it is window placement.

Apple has tried a million different windows things over the years that like, first you have to have

full screen. Then you can have split view, but that's it. And then you can have them on top of

each other, but this one's got to stay here. I want a little bit higher. No, it can't. It's got to be

right here. That's your

place.

Take it and like it. But now, just like we've been doing one

computer since 1984 you can put the window wherever you want and you can get perfect

place.

And

you know it's much more full-featured plus sometimes I'm using a program on the

computer this happens you know it's like I'm using Microsoft Word I need to do something

like where is this what do you do you go to your menus and you look around like let me

look at the edit view you know oh that's where this command is right now we can have that

on the iPad 2 we actually have a menu commands that you can go file edit view and you can

go down and you can pick the different thing that you want, why not?

Makes perfect sense.

We

even have the clothes, you know, the little closed boxes.

So many things that have been part of a computer

forever are

coming to the iPad so that you

can multitask, you can get work done.

Simple things like on the iPad, I've had the ability to edit a movie in Final Cut Pro on

my iPad and I've done this.

I've had like beach vacations where I take some cool videos and then I want to make

a

little movie and

show it to the family at night on, you know, we have Connect to an Apple

TV and everybody's having dinner at the beach and I show a little video from the day. But to export

that video, that takes a little time, right? And it used to be if I

get out of

the app, the whole

thing dies. But now Apple has said, we'll have background tasks. Again, we've had background

tasks since what? System 7, system, you know, a long time

we've had background

tasks, certainly

System 10. And so it comes to the iPad. Things like audio recording that if, I know that not many

people are podcasters but we

are right and if

you wanted to use an iPad to

record a podcast it had such simplistic audio capabilities and you couldn't do

it but now you can you can control where you where you can record the audio from

how it's saved you can save local copies of video all these cool things and again

each individual feature is only gonna be used by certain people but you put it

together

yeah it's

Apple saying we're fine with the iPad having these things

that were typically reserved for the computer, and I am here for

it.

I am so excited about it, Jeff, but it feels so awkward to me because I remember so vividly

when the iPad was introduced.

Steve Jobs introduced it in 2010 and said, you don't need a mouse, you don't need a keyboard,

you don't need a stylus, you don't need any of these things.

It's not supposed to replace.

In fact, they showed a slide where everybody's got a laptop, everybody's got an iPhone, and

And the iPad was supposed to be a third category device.

And that's the way Apple introduced it.

And look at this evolution now to where they started supporting Bluetooth mice.

Then they sold keyboards so that you could have a keyboard for your iPad.

And then they sell a stylus.

And then there wasn't even the fact that you could do multitasking.

It was one app and one app alone and you were going to like whatever that app was and that

was it.

Then we started having this transition to where you could have multiple apps.

And just to see the evolution today, what they announced on Monday was just a little mind-blowing to me.

I think mostly in a good way.

It's just I just see such a blurring now between what am I doing with a Mac laptop versus an iPad now.

Because if I get an iPad with a Magic Keyboard, which I think now this is going to make you get a Magic Keyboard, I think.

It's like, why would I do?

I mean, the price is not all that much different

if you

get everything

going on.

But why would I choose one over the other?

Anyway, I've got to get my mind wrapped around this a little bit more.

I am more excited about this than anything else.

The one thing somebody did point out,

like one of the last remaining things is on a Mac,

you can install any software you want from anywhere.

On an iPad, you still have to go through the App Store, right?

Is that the last thing that's there?

I don't know.

I don't know what the difference is.

Again, I'm just pointing things out.

I know that I'm mostly happy with all the changes.

I love to see this.

And for someone like you, you just mentioned, you use the iPad in your office next to your Windows PC.

And so you can almost have a Mac laptop alongside your Windows PC now with just an iPad.

And I know that that's got to be good.

I don't exactly know how it's going to be, but I know it's going to be good.

One of the computer-like features that they have coming out that I can't wait to try it in real life because I'm cautiously optimistic, but I want to see it.

So it was a big deal when Apple came out with the

keyboard that you used.

The Magic Keyboard.

The Magic Keyboard.

It has a trackpad in it.

Because

it had a trackpad, Apple added for the first time to actually have a mouse on the iPad screen.

A cursor.

And it was a circle.

And what was

cool about it,

and it works really well, is that circle, which is about the same size as your finger if you were touching the screen,

if it hovers over certain items,

the cursor

itself changes shape,

which is

a great feature.

- It is.

- In this next upcoming version,

they are, I think, completely getting rid of the circle cursor,

if I understand correctly.

And it's going to be, I don't know if this is--

- It's an arrow.

- I guess it's gonna be all the time.

It's gonna be an arrow, again,

like we've had on the Mac since 1984.

- I've got a window.

- But like, I don't have the same one that you have

that's got the trackpad built into it,

but I carry

with me an

external keyboard.

I use Apple's trackpad that I use this with Vision Pro,

use it with my ipad and i'm traveling and so i just sort of use this um but now that it's going to be

a uh an arrow

it's going to be more precise yeah which

is going to be good for accessing those

menus if you want to be really precise

right um

i hope that they don't completely lose the uh how

useful it was to have the church cursor change sides just change sizes and i've already saw one

one person that i saw had tried to develop a beta and he said that if an app has like the cursor

change to a certain shape in certain situations that still works that hasn't

changed yeah so

we'll

see we'll see how it works in real life but i it's part of the idea that they feel like if you're

going to be using it for more sophisticated uses you might want to be more precise now if you're

using your finger there's a limit to how precise it can be but if you're actually using a trackpad

an external device you can be pretty darned or a mouse you can be pretty darn precise so let's have

a pointer that can also be pretty darn precise too i think it makes sense we'll see how it works

well

again even to that point i remember way back in the day when window microsoft came out with tablet pc

and one of the reasons that it didn't work so well is because they kept the same red x in the upper

right corner when you needed to close out of a nap well you couldn't be that precise to hit that red

x every time with your finger they had styluses styli that they would sell with it to do that

but now in kind of a similar function with the mac we've always had what we call the stoplight we

We have a red, yellow, green buttons in the upper left corner.

And that red button has acted mostly like the red acts on a Windows speed.

So you hit that and it actually just closes the window.

It doesn't close the app.

Be that as it may, that's going to be harder to hit with a finger

than it is going to be with a mouse cursor.

And I feel like to some extent that is why I think they're having to go to this.

And then not to mention, they're bringing a file menu you mentioned to the iPad.

That's just, do we really need a file menu?

I think we do.

I agree, you

made some good

points.

It's gonna be great to have that capability

because, and I think one of the saving aspects here,

saving grace aspects is you don't have to use it

if you don't want to.

And there's gonna be some people

that have been using an iPad for a long time.

Maybe they won't switch.

Maybe they'll just keep doing the, you know,

interacting with it the same way.

Because from what I've seen so far,

those stoplights and the file menus only come up

if you are hovering in that area.

Maybe the stoplights will be there.

Again, a lot of this will definitely change

if we go through after the developer betas

and going into the public betas, I know.

But just to see that.

- I have a question about stuff lights actually.

It's so red, yellow, green, right?

So red is closed, yellow is minimized,

and green is maximized.

- That's right.

- But on the iPad, apps sort of run in the background.

So like a red would make the app close,

a yellow would make the app high,

but that's the same thing on an iPad.

I don't quite understand the distinction.

We'll have to see.

- Exactly.

- I don't know the difference between red and yellow.

- Those are excellent questions.

- We shall see.

- That

again, makes sense on a Mac

because that's the way we've been using it for decades.

It's going to remain to be seen exactly how that's gonna

translate well into the iPad.

Again, all that to say, I know I'm excited about it.

I know it's gonna go well, and I'm glad to see that the iPad

is getting a lot of love.

I mean, this is more than we have seen from the iPad,

I think, in a long time.

And I'm just thrilled to see where that's gonna go.

But it's just--

- Can I talk about another one

that I really like for the iPad?

- This is gonna be odd.

- Another one I like is the Files app.

- Yeah.

- So for a long time

with the iPad,

It was really

difficult with file

management,

which was one of the things that limited your ability

to get real work done.

We've had the Files app for a while,

which is great because you can now manage the files

that are on your device or on your cloud thing,

on Dropbox, on whatever else, on iCloud.

And so that's really nice.

But it's

been pretty simplistic

on what you could do in the Files app.

It was basic,

but it was enough.

Apple is now really doing some cool new things about that,

that you can like change columns and expand them

and stuff like that.

You can get

more detailed.

The colored folders

with icons on, like we talked about

on the Mac is going

to be on the iPad too.

The Files app is going to be just a lot more sophisticated.

And I love that because I work with, that's what I do.

I work with documents, you know, Microsoft Word documents, PDF documents, sometimes photos and videos.

You know, you're constantly working with documents and you need a place to use it.

So whether it's the dedicated Files app or whether it's individual apps that have like a file picker,

which basically gets you into the files app.

I'm thrilled that Apple is making that more robust

because that's just gonna make it easier

for me to get work done.

I love it.

It's great.

- Great stuff

on that.

- Hey, the preview app, I guess we should talk about that.

I mean, the preview app - Love

the preview app. - I

use the preview app on the Mac all the time because even

though I have more sophisticated apps

- Love the

preview app.

- Photos

and PDF files, sometimes you just

wanna quickly do something on the Mac and preview does

a great job of that. It's a

great job. So let's

have that on the iPad too.

Anything

more sophisticated,

of course I'm going to use PDF Expert.

Or anything more sophisticated with a photo, yeah, I'm going to use Photoshop or Photometer, one of those types of apps.

But why not have a nice, simple app that you know that everybody has on their iPad, and I guess the iPhone too, I haven't even heard that,

that can just do some simple things with the PDF.

That's a good

question.

You just need to sign it, or if you just need to do anything, I really like that.

So that's a cool thing.

There's so much more.

And so this is going to be, we're going to be playing with this,

you know, hearing about it through the beta, playing

with it.

But sometimes when Apple has its WWDC, the iPad gets like a little bit more.

It's like,

whatever.

Yeah, a little.

This

is one of the years that they've gone a lot.

And again, it's not just the new features.

It's the new mentality.

It's the let's hold back the restraints.

Let's do everything that you want with that.

So it makes me feel like a couple of years from now, if Apple is no longer, you know, doing this straight jacket of the iPad, it's the iPad, it's not a Mac.

Take that off, be powerful.

It's nothing but

obsolete.

Okay, quick speculation.

Some people have said,

if the iPad is getting some of these fantastic evolving features,

are we setting up for a larger iPad, a better iPad this year, a more powerful iPad?

I mean, I've even seen the craziness of a foldable iPad,

so that maybe be that size, Jeff,

but then you can unfold the iPad to twice the size of the screen.

Because if you've got all of these fantastic Mac-like, you know, personal computer features, is it setting something up for hardware?

Yeah, it could be.

I've seen that same speculation.

I have seen people try to read the tea leaves and predict a bigger iPad for a long time now.

Right, I know.

I don't know.

But, I mean, I will tell you, you know, for a long time I was using the traditional iPad size of about 10.9, 11 inches.

And then when they came out with, originally it was the iPad Pro

that went

up to 13, 12.9, 13 inches.

Right.

At first I'm like, oh, this is really big.

I want something the size of like a lunch tray.

And now I love it.

Right now, something even bigger seems too big to me.

Like I wouldn't even fit it in my briefcase.

I don't know about that.

Unless it folds

up.

We'll have to see.

If it folds up, it would be an answer.

And, you know, everybody's talking that there could be a foldable phone coming out too.

That would become an iPad type

thing or phone.

So maybe.

I don't know.

And

just quickly, did I not see these iPad features are coming even to the iPad mini?

Yeah.

So we're going to have multiple rooms.

and multiple windows on the iPad MIDI.

iPad MIDI.

That is

completely interesting.

All right, well, if you still have an iPad MIDI,

that's going to be good.

Okay, let's do two quick in the know.

In the

know.

Let's do, like, I'm going to do my favorite announcement

quickly.

And I have a tip

as well.

One of the things that,

anytime we have a WWDC announcement,

Craig, Frederic, or whoever on the stage

will, like, harp on the major announcements.

And then at the very end,

before they segue to something else,

They have what people call the bento box.

It's like a slide of all the things that they didn't cover, but they're coming.

And it stays on screen for about a second.

So you have to screenshot it.

I sent

it to you because I am ready.

When they have that, I take those screenshots on there.

One of the things apparently they didn't talk about, this is real quick, and I am so thrilled about this.

How about being able to customize the time of the snooze on your iPhone's alarm clock?

Apparently this is going to come right now.

It's always been,

so if you have an alarm in your iPhone right now,

it is set to nine minutes.

And apparently there's some reason back

from the mechanical days, way before the iPhone,

why alarm clocks have nine minutes as their snooze time.

But I've always wondered, like, can't I have,

can I customize that?

I only wanted it to snooze for three minutes,

or maybe I want to snooze for 12 minutes.

Why can't I customize that?

Well, apparently in iOS 26, I have the ability to do that.

So you're welcome, everyone.

You know, this is not

my tip of the week,

but you're reminding me as you're talking about numbers.

I have this, I've talked before about this,

these Anker batteries

that have

like cords that

come out,

you can plug these.

But one of the things I love about this battery

is that it's got this display on it

that tells you how much power you have left.

And if you plug it in, it says it's going to take,

you know, 2.6 hours, whatever,

two hours and 42 minutes to get it fully recharged.

That's useful information.

And one of the things that they announced for iOS 26

is that when

you plug in your iPhone,

it will show you right on the lock screen, you know, it's going to take 94 minutes to recharge this thing,

which is useful because sometimes you know you're about

to go somewhere.

And, you know, maybe, is there a big difference between 80 and 85 and 90 percent?

Who knows? Not much.

But it's just nice to know I've plugged in my iPhone.

It's going to take 46 minutes for it to get a full charge.

That's a cool little thing.

I already love that feature

for my little Anker

battery here.

So I look forward to having that on my iPhone.

My tip of the week, though,

is I have a specific

recommendation.

The Vision Pro I love.

And I know that some of our listeners have them too

because they write to me about it.

But I usually keep it at home.

But every once in a while I travel with it

so that when you're on a plane,

you can watch some cool movies on the plane.

So I have it.

Earlier this week when we had the WWDC,

I brought my Vision Pro here to the office

because while I was having lunch, I was watching it.

And instead of just watching it on my iPad

screen,

I wore my Vision Pro and it was this huge,

it was beautiful.

It

was like a movie theater.

So I love traveling with it.

When I first got my Vision Pro,

there was only one case that you could purchase.

This is my Show & Co.

This was the Apple Vision Pro case.

People say it sort of looked like it was something

for that NASA astronauts would carry around.

And it has this zipper and you open it up

and you could put your Vision Pro on one side

and your old devices in the other.

It was nice and it had like a little thing

that you could put everything in.

It's a nice case, but it was big.

It's big, it is--

- That's like a pillow.

- It's like a pillow, you could sleep to it, yes.

It's the Jeff Richardson version of my pillow perhaps.

But I use it and it's also expensive.

It was 200 bucks.

So,

- Extra.

- But for a long time, this is what I had.

And so if I

was traveling,

you know,

you have your carry on like

your luggage.

This

was the problem is that I don't want this to be

my whole second carry on because I want to have my iPad

and other stuff with

me.

And I would try to fit it inside of my knapsack

and it would take up so much space.

So it was nice, but I was ready for something else.

- You

were looking.

- So about six or seven

months ago,

Belkin who makes all sorts of great products.

Belkin came out with this thing,

they call, what's the, it's called the Belkin travel bag.

- Yes, I got it on the screen here.

- It's a hundred bucks,

so it's half the price

of the Apple product and it is so much better.

If you have a Vision Pro, this is what you should have.

- It's a lot more compact. - So first

of all,

it's much more compact.

You see, I mean, the size difference

is ridiculous.

And not only does that make it easier to carry around

and stuff like that, but it means that I,

usually when I'm traveling, I put this inside of,

like a knapsack.

And I

can put so many other things in there too, so it's not taking up all

the space. So that alone is really nice. It's got tons of pockets and stuff so you can put extra

thing. This one right here in the back is where I usually slide in my trackpad that I carry with

me. And it's got other little pockets in here for like a cord and my power supply. Deep hidden in

this pocket, there's a place you can slide an air tag so that if I was to ever forget this or lose

it or god forbid somebody

stole it i can actually track the

bag because it's got a hidden air tag in

it but the real key of it of course is this big part it's got these huge zippers that open up

and this is where i put in

my vision pro and

it's really nice it's got a compartment right here

that i can put my battery in and it sort of holds it my vision pro sits in it and it even has this

thing that's it's a um it's a it's a called a lens pillow it's sort of hard to see from the camera

here but it folds up inside of of the the inside part of my vision pro

just to

sort of protect it

stuff so my vision pro stays in here it's it's a wonderful thing for carrying

around the vision pro it's it's safe it's cushioned I really love it and it's as

small as it can be without being too small

yeah I

guess it could still be a

pillow if I needed it so when I'm traveling on planes like I'm taking a

trip next week

if I take

this with me this is the thing to use for sure even

if I'm just going back and forth to work I want to bring my vision pro into work

and it's great the reason

I mentioned it today is first of all I've now been

using it long enough and had enough trips with it that I can give it big thumbs up. It's

really, really good. But additionally, with all of the new changes coming to Vision Pro,

once I have the beta in July, and then this fall when it's the Vision Pro is just getting

much more useful.

You'll be carrying a lot more and more. I

will be using it for work type stuff. You

know, I already love that when I'm at home, I can make a big Vision Pro screen be my max

external monitor so that I can get so much work done. I can have windows here and here

and here and it's great. I can't really do that with my PC at work. I can sort of do it in

conduction with my iPad different ways, but as the iPad gets more powerful and the Vision Pro

gets more powerful, I know that the number of times that I will be using this to get actual

work done in the office is going to

increase and I will be taking it back

and forth even more.

And so I just know that I already love this travel bag and I'm going to be using more in the future.

So

anyway,

if you're one of the people that has a Vision Pro, and in fact, even if you don't have

one, some people that don't like their Vision Pro

have been starting

to sell them. And I see them

you know, listings and stuff on eBay that you can get a pretty

good deal.

Yeah.

I mean, they're still expensive, but it's a better deal.

So I love this case. It's a big thing.

And again, I talk about the case to get back to where we were before.

I'm excited. I love my Vision Pro,

but I'm even more excited about the future now that we have Vision OS 26 coming out.

Cool stuff. It's going to be fantastic.

Well, this has been fun.

I knew we were just going to be able to sit and geek out.

And I'm looking at our outline,

Brett.

We've skipped a ton because

there's so much to

talk about.

I know.

and we're gonna be talking about it for months.

There's just so much.

- I just, we don't need to go too deep into this,

but some people have said like, there is so much here.

Was Apple trying to get away from addressing more deeply

like anything on Apple intelligence

by just kind of bombarding us with all of these really,

I could see both ways, I guess a little bit,

but I have to say they did a really good job on Monday.

I mean, it was better than I was expecting,

to be honest with you.

And I thought

that they just did a good job

And, you know, even if we don't have everything Apple intelligence, and we referenced a couple of those interviews with Craig Federico and Jaws, and Jaws, we act that, you know, I think they've done a good job of at least putting out the story like they're not ready yet.

They're still working on it.

They want it to be quality and what they're doing.

But in the meantime, I'm thrilled that we have a lot of these fantastic, you know, iOS 26 features and functions that we're going to be talking about probably over the next three months, which is going to be good.

That's awesome.

Going for the next 200.

Exactly.

Congratulations again, Jeff.

This is great.

I love continuing to do this.

And thanks for hosting us here today.

And Diego, thank you for taking care of us

on the technology side.

And we'll talk with you next week, Jeff.

Thanks, Brett. Bye-bye, everybody.