Welcome to In The News for June 20, 2025.

A lot of 20s in there as well.

I am Brett Burney from AppsinLaw.com.

And this is Jeff Richardson from iPhoneJD

coming to you from Florida today.

Dude, we're traveling all over the place.

I miss you already, Jeff.

We were together last week, last Friday,

in New Orleans,

downtown.

It was so fun doing that.

For our 200th episode, that was great.

So now I'm back home,

and you're traveling again on the road.

You're

in sunny Florida.

You got a seahorse behind you and everything.

That's right.

You're the one that's always traveling, Brett.

I usually stay in one place.

So for me to be set up in a hotel environment, this is – you're the expert in this, not me.

But anyway, here we go.

Happy to be here.

You

sound good.

This is great.

I'm glad that we're doing this because, man, I thought we had exhausted pretty much everything we could talk about with WWDC last week, Jeff.

But no, there's now even more.

But to be fair, now I feel like we have seen there's been at least a week, maybe a couple of weeks now,

that folks have gotten their hands on the developer beta of iOS 26 or the iPadOS 26.

In fact, let's start there because we spent a good long time last week talking about the iPadOS 26

and how, frankly, I know both you and I were excited about what they were showing.

They really spent a long time at WWDC keynote talking about the changes that they're bringing to iPadOS 26.

And now I feel like we have seen there are more people now, you linked to several articles today, that are also enthusiastic about iPadOS 26.

Like it's just really coming into something more of its own, even though I feel like we should have been able to say that several years ago.

I mean, it's now, you know, we're talking about 15 years that we've had the iPad.

And I feel like almost now, to some extent, it's like it really feels like what it should have been.

Now, again, to be fair, a lot of processor changes, a lot of differences in size and screen sizes and everything.

But just really, I don't know where you want to start with this.

Frederico, you had a great article that you linked to from there.

Good interviews with Craig Federighi.

That's what I was most interested in seeing from several folks over the last week here.

When Apple did the keynote last Monday and they debuted some of the new features coming to the iPad, it was clear that there was a lot of new power user features here.

And then over the week, Craig Federici from Apple did a couple of interviews.

And some of them were sort of surfaced.

You know, they're always interesting to hear the insiders at Apple talk about stuff.

The one that Federici Vettici did that was particularly good because it got really deep into why Apple did what they did.

And this is what I think is most interesting.

Now that people are actually using some of the betas, you know, the developer beta is out.

And I think the public beta is actually out too.

I'm not using either one of them.

But you have a lot more people using it and kicking the tires on it.

And we'll talk about the specifics of it in a second.

But what really jumps out to me the most is sort of the big picture, the philosophy on

it all.

Because

for a

long time, you know, when the iPad was released, for many years, the iPad

was really just an iPhone with a bigger screen.

I mean, literally, it was this exact same app store and everything else.

And, you know, developers would make it things that would account for that.

But it was really, you know, as if it was an iPhone, you're dealing with one app at one

time for the most part and that sort of stuff.

And then over time, people are like, you know, I really like the iPad.

I wish I could do more with it.

And Apple slowly played around with that.

But you still sort of felt that they were tepid, that they didn't want to go too close to the computer.

They tried a bunch of things that allowed multiple windows and the screen at one time.

And they were interesting.

We used them.

But, you know, it wasn't – you could just tell that it wasn't what they should be.

And so somebody at Apple has decided, you know what?

It's okay.

We can take something that was first developed for the computer, you know, decades ago, and we can do it on the iPad.

And it's not going to make the iPad suddenly become a computer.

It's going to still, I mean, the iPad is still a touch-first device.

You touch it, you hold it closer to you, you hold it in your hands.

That's what makes the iPad special.

And the fact that you can take an iPad, set it up with a keyboard and a trackpad, which is actually what I'm talking to you right now from my iPad and this information, that's okay.

It's still an iPad.

It's just that, you know, you can have things like when you have an external pointer device, I've got my trackpad right here next to me.

I can be more precise.

And so why not give me a pointer?

And why not give me the menus?

And why not allow me to completely adjust my windows as much as I want?

And I think that, and audio stuff changes too.

I mean, there's so many things that Apple is doing.

They're still never going to turn the iPad into a Mac because they really do have their separate purposes.

But I think they finally decided, you know, take a breath.

It's okay.

You can do something that might be too advanced.

And you know what?

The thing about the new iPad is that I think you have to, I'm not using the beta, so I'm

not positive on this, but I think it's something you turn on.

I think if you don't flip the switch, your iPad stays in a very simple to use, one app

at a time, full screen, the thing that so many people are comfortable doing with an iPad.

But I think that if you turn the setting on to allow the multiple windows and stuff like

that, then it's like, go wild.

You know, enjoy it. You can have windows that are whatever size you want. You can even take,

you know how on a computer, you know, sometimes you'll take your window and you'll move it almost

really completely off the screen. So like a very edge of it's on the screen, but most of it's like,

you know, in nowhere land off the screen. You can do that on the iPad and iPad 26. You have never

been able to do that before. So it's things that like us, you know, I say advanced users,

but all I mean by advanced is somebody who knows how a computer work. You know, we all know how

computers work. We can understand this. It's not going to make us too complicated. Sure. If you're

going to give your grandmother an iPad, don't enable these features. Just let it do one app at a time

features. But for most people that, you know, travel me, I always travel with my iPad and,

but I want it to be powerful enough to get stuff done. And I just, I love that. I love the philosophy.

And so again, going back to that interview of, of Craig Federici, he, he talks about, you know,

they went toward it. What is the essence of an iPad? What makes it special? What can we allow it

to do that doesn't take away the iPad nature of it. There's often been years and years and years

ago, Brett, there was an interview with Steve Jobs that may have been with the Wall Street Journal,

I forget, but he was on stage and he was talking about how the, you know, is there a future of the

Mac now that we have an iPhone and iPad? And I may have the details wrong, but it was something on

the lines of, you know, the iPhone is like the sports car, but we still need our Mac because you

still need trucks. And I heard somebody this week saying that, you know, what Apple has announced is,

sure, maybe the Mac is the truck and we need those. People need trucks. People need the Macs.

And maybe the iPhone is the sports car, but the iPad is the SUV. It's something you drive around,

you feel comfortable with, but sometimes you want to put a whole bunch of stuff in it. You're going

to Costco, you're going to load it up with groceries. You need that extra space and that's okay. It's

okay to be an SUV. Nobody's going to confuse it and say, oh, suddenly it's a truck. No, no,

it's a different thing. It's an SUV. And so I like that. So that was one of the really interesting

to me is the philosophy um beyond that there's the actual using it um we in fact as we're sitting

here right now brett are you running the betas on any of your devices

no i am not okay

i'm not either

because i use my devices to get work done and i can't have the bugs but when you and i were together

last week in new orleans um you and i went to an event and i think it was my brother-in-law was

showing me that he has the beta installed in his phone and i've now seen it a couple of times in

people's devices. I've seen it on both an iPhone and an iPad. And just to talk about the iPad for

a second, I have played around with changing the window sizes and stuff like that. And Brett, I

tell you, thumbs up. Like I'm so ready for

this fall

when I can use it myself. It is really,

really nice. Even things, even the menus coming down and stuff like that, which you don't have

to have an external device. Even if you're just holding an iPad, you can just swipe down from the

top of the screen and you will see file edit view at the top of the window just like you're used to

on a computer one thing that i was wondering about is the buttons that the red yellow green buttons

um they're so tiny the stoplights exactly if you're if you're using a pointer device then sure you can

be very precise and you can get to it

but if

you're using your finger the buttons are so tiny that it

would be really hard to precisely type each one but the way it works is if you just tap on the

entire spotlight area, it gets a little bit bigger. And then the red, yellow, and green buttons are

more than big enough for you to tap them. So like there's all these little features that they thought

about and I'm really ready. I mean, I'm going to hold off on putting the beta because I know that

it's buggy and I depend upon my devices to get work done, but I'm very jealous of the people

that have it installed already. So that is, that is the iPad. I tell you.

Craig Federighi, when he

took the stage at WWDC said this I've seen this quote several times he said more windows a point

to your pointer and a menu bar who would have thought

yeah we have truly

pulled off a mind-blowing

release but it was those kind of those three things that I think has grabbed everybody's attention

you know to underscore some of the things you're talking about um some people are calling this

multitasking although I saw somebody take offense to that well you know a nerdy offense to it right

It's like the multitasking actually is some there.

We can come back to that in a moment.

But really it's sort of this windowing aspect.

And this interview that you linked to from Craig, you know, with Craig Federico, from Federico Vittici, who has been known as probably one of the best writers that has talked about how he has used an iPad.

Right.

So excited that now you have a lot more freedom in how you can do the windows.

And really that just comes down to a productivity component, I think.

Right.

Yep.

Because

we do have this history with the iPad where we had the slide over is the one split screen, right?

Split screen.

We

can have two apps

going on.

Then you had slide over.

And then you had stage manager, which was introduced maybe a year or two ago on some of that.

I've kind of sort of maybe kind of used that in the way it goes.

But now we have apparently stage manager is still there, but the split screen and slide over are not fully replaced now by this completely customizable.

Like you have a full freedom to to put as many windows as you want and move them around.

And some of this is just what's showing. I've got a couple of videos here that Frederico put in the website there.

And it's just I feel like it's that freedom that underscores what you were just saying, too.

It's like, you know what? It's OK. Like we can let the iPad do what it can do.

And there's rather been arguments that, you know, we're only scratching the surface of the capabilities even of like the processor that are in the iPads today, especially the M4 processor.

And it's like, let him let people go nuts on this.

You know, it's OK.

Somebody even said, but don't call it a Mac there.

I guess I am kind of calling it a Mac.

I feel like if you want a touchscreen Mac, now you can get an iPad Pro.

And if you don't want the you know, if you want that truck without the touchscreen, then you can still go for a Mac.

But the lines are blurring a little bit.

But I agree with you. I think that there's still, you know, the places and pieces and parts.

And even Craig, at the very end of this article from Frederico, I thought it was so good.

He was just talking about how Craig Federico even sort of had an emotional attachment to his iPad.

Yeah.

And I feel like that's exactly the way I would say it.

Like there are things that I know I will use my iPad and I will never be without it because I just am attached to using the iPad for that.

And I'm just glad that I've got a few other additional options now too.

Let me correct one thing or not correct or just adjust one thing you said.

You said that slide over and split screen are gone.

Now slide over is gone in iPadOS 26.

Slide

over is the thing where

you could have a window sort of literally slide on top and then slide out of the

way.

And there was a little tab for

it.

That's sometimes a useful feature.

That's completely gone.

Split screen, however, it's not really gone.

It's there in a different way

because of the new iPadOS 26.

If you take a window and you sort of fling it to the left, it will become just half on the left.

And then you

can fling

it to the right and it'll be half on the right.

And that'll be sort of a split screen.

But unlike in the past, you can then adjust precisely how much each one is.

So

it doesn't

have to be half, half or one third, two third.

Moreover, they have options and you're showing it right now on the screen

that if

you want to have three thin columns on the iPad, you can do that.

Which is a setup that you're not going to use very often, but there are some specific circumstances in which that's actually going to work.

And then

likewise,

you can have a two by two, a four grid, which you're showing right now on the screen.

And so these are things that we've never had before.

And again, even with the big iPad, you know, the screen, if you have four different screens, everything's really tiny.

So that's only going to work in certain setups.

But if you have a setup where you want multiple screens and you want to see them all at the same time, then you have that three to time, four to time option.

Or you have the more traditional windowing option where they're just on top of each other and you tap to bring them up.

So it's infinite options.

And that's the thing.

It's, you know, whatever works for, you know, in specific circumstances, you're going to

want one of those and you're going to have that opportunity.

So anyway, I'm very excited about that.

So that's the iPad.

I do want to talk about one more thing, though, which is the liquid glass.

Is it OK to move on to that a little bit?

Sure.

Yes.

You know, so

I was very excited about liquid glass when I saw it in the keynote because

it looked cool.

It was interesting.

I like the idea that it lets you to use more of your screen at one time and stuff like

that.

Um, and I nowadays, so it's now been almost two weeks. Some people I am reading and following,

they say liquid glasses, liquid glass is fantastic. And some people are like, I'm really,

really worried about this. Like the ATP podcast, those people and stuff like that. And one of the

things that you and I both saw last weekend, we, I think we both saw it around the same time

is the interface. And the, the pushback that I heard from some people is that if you have buttons

that are glass, like let's just say they're on the bottom of the iPhone screen and you have

words written on those buttons. Because things are flowing beneath the button and because it's

see-through, it makes it hard to actually see the words. And some people I've seen are like, oh,

this is horrible because it reduces legibility. Now, John Gruber, I think you may have just been

showing it on the screen. He has a comment of, guys, this is the first beta. Apple

understands

this. They just barely got this out of the door. It's a brand new change. We've got all summer for

them to fix it. Let's withhold judgment until we see what's actually released this fall. So it's

still early. Do you have a gut? I mean, you and I were both looking at it at the same time last

weekend. Now that you've seen it in person and you've thought about it, what do you think? Do

you think it's going to be bad for legibility or do you think it's going to work? What

do you think?

They'll improve it. I mean, this is one of the things we've seen this time and time again

when Apple releases these developer betas. We see how much things change over the next several

months, Jeff. So honestly, I've pointed it out. And I remember we talked about this last week,

but I don't have any concerns. Like I know all of this is going to be addressed. There's,

you know,

there's a certain limit, just kind of, I think to your point and what Gruber said as well,

there's a limit that they can get to just internally, right? Without, because they keep

it under wraps. It's secret. And there's only so much you're going to be able to do with your

internal people.

When you release it out into the public, there's all kinds of people that are going

to be able to then access it and give complaints or give suggestions and comments and we have seen

again just over the years apple listens to all of that and they incorporate a lot of that they make

those changes so i i personally don't have any concerns it's just it will take some time just

like it always has and by the time that we have some additional public betas i mean most of the

time these betas go through five or six seven iterations right before we get to like the final

it may be into like september or something like that so we've got plenty of time i totally agree

would

jump over on that. And let's not forget that when iOS 7 came out with the flat design,

you know, a dozen years ago, they did improve it during the beta process, but you know what else

they did? Even the version of iOS 7 that came out initially, like a year later, Apple did adjust it.

And so if

they have

gone too far, you know, and if they haven't fixed, if there are some parts of

it that still don't seem to work this fall, I hope they do address it. I will tell you that overall,

and I know part of it's just because it's a shiny new coat of paint, but I mean, it's a new look,

I think it's a fun look.

I think it has some practical implications that are positive.

I also think it just looks fresh and new.

And so I'm still optimistic for it.

But I do understand the people that have told me, oh, Jeff, this is going to be horrible.

I do understand where they're coming from.

And we will just have to see how it works.

I liked how John Gruber went back and rewatched Steve Jobs introducing the Aqua interface.

Do you remember that?

That was in like 2000.

And I just thought that it was

kind of cool how he was, you know, kind of comparing that because it was completely

different

at the time.

And, you know,

there's a whole

aspect of like people don't like change.

They're used to doing things.

And I fall into that as well.

Although, you know, there are some folks that I think kind of come to it a little more naturally when it comes into the change and they get used to it.

And then everybody just kind of falls in line with it because this is obviously the way they're going.

I mean, it's not like they're going to roll anything back.

And it's just a matter now of tweaking, I think, a lot of these things.

And just like you referenced from John Gruber, like legibility problems will be addressed.

And I completely agree with that on there, which to me is exciting.

I mean, I did overall like it.

I do.

I think that, you know, a fresh design, it's time.

We've seen this.

You know, the last big one was on iOS 7.

I'm, you know, I'm always excited when it's like a fresh coat of paint kind of on these things.

And it's just a matter of now people kind of getting used to it.

But after a few months of using it, then people are like, well, why wasn't it always like this?

Like, isn't this the way it's always been?

And so I have confidence that we'll get there for sure.

Okay, a few more things in iOS 26.

A couple of things you linked to today.

The Reminders app, how about some specific changes coming in iOS 26 to the Reminders app, including the liquid glass design?

Yeah, the thing that most interested me about this is because I like the Reminders app.

I do use it, although I use another app called Things 2 for my more sophisticated to-do projects like, you know, my work stuff.

But Reminders is a great app.

Reminders has a feature that if you use it for a grocery list, it will automatically sort of organize things into, like, different sections of the store and stuff like that.

And it sounds like they're using AI to do more auto categorization of your items.

And so we'll have to see how it works in practice.

But I like the idea of keep things organized and tiny for me, but do it on your own.

Do it in a way that I don't have to spend too much of my own brain power doing it.

And so I thought that was actually pretty cool.

Some other features in there too.

That was one that jumped out at me though.

it's nice to see that the reminders app, it was just such a,

an app that so many people rely upon. I mean, I, I will always,

if I'm just trying to remind myself, Oh, don't forget on Wednesday afternoon,

you got to pick up something. You know, I will say, Hey,

you know who remind me on Wednesday afternoon at four o'clock to do such and

such.

And I love the fact that I no longer need to think about it.

And then it just reminds me and I'm like, Oh yeah,

thank you for reminding of that. Just great.

I will say I've tried to use this several times from like,

I remember when the geo fencing options came into play and you know,

So I'm driving around, but it's like when I get back home, I need to remember to, you know, take the trash out or something.

And I would say, hey, you know, when I get back home, because it knows where my home address is, remind me to do this.

And I have to tell you, I've lost confidence in that.

Like it just

wouldn't

happen or it didn't come on or it would like it would be too late.

You know, then like I want it when I'm driving into the garage

or when

I walk into the house.

And and I don't know, I just I probably need to come back to it.

It's just one of those things.

Maybe I tried to use it when it first

came out and let it

mature enough on that.

But anyway, just always glad to see that some specific changes coming to specific apps in iOS 26, which is great.

Okay, we're not going away from iOS 26 yet.

Here's kind of another little bit of angle, which I think is great.

I feel like so many times we talk about the changes from a user perspective,

But I loved this little story that you linked to from John Voorhees at Mac Stories about his son, who apparently is a developer.

Was it Ivan? Is that his name in here?

Oh, Finn. Sorry. Finn Voorhees, who has his own site.

Well, John and Finn, his son, were talking in the car when he picked him up from one of the WWDC classes, apparently,

about the speech-to-text tool, the engine that's basically getting built into iOS 26.

That's probably the best way that I can describe it, Jeff.

You can go into a little bit more detail.

But I am thrilled about hearing that this speech API, text-to-speech API, or speech-to-text API,

is apparently going to be lightning fast, even faster than the whisper tools that I use

for even transcribing our podcast, for example.

Yeah. I mean, the whole speech text back and forth has been something that's been Apple's been doing this for decades.

I mean, gosh, when the original Mac was introduced in 1984, when Steve Jobs did the introduction, there was like it was like a bag and he took out the Mac to reveal what it looked like to everybody.

And then on the screen, a little face came up and it was using text speech technology to say something like, you know, I'm sure I'm happy to get out of that bag, you know, that sort of stuff.

And

that going

back and forth between text and speech is something Apple's been working on for years.

They have an engine right now, and they've had it for years, that when you are speaking, it can then take your spoken words and put them into text.

But it's been a little simplistic.

That type of technology is more important nowadays because with generative AI being so powerful, once you have words in text, the AI can understand it and do stuff with it.

And so this is a really important thing.

And plus, we like talking to devices.

It's nice just to tell my iPhone something with my voice instead of having to type.

So this is all very important.

One of the – Whisper is a technology that I think you use it actually for our podcast.

So you're familiar with it to take the words that we speak to each other and to make a transcript.

So if anybody ever wants to look at the transcript, they can.

And also it means that if you search on the internet, you can like word search and pull up.

But – and MacWhisper is very good.

It's based on the Whisper technology.

Apparently, the built-in tech that Apple has, and I don't know if we call it AI or machine learning or whatever it is, but apparently it's getting substantially better.

And the thing is, this is a core technology.

And so John Voorhees, who's

a former attorney,

his son, who's a developer, all developers of apps, they can use this technology for free without having to develop it themselves.

And so anyone that's making an app and says, boy, it would be nice if someone could speak and then I could turn it into words.

they will now have an even better thing.

So these are the sorts of announcements

that you hear the announcement at WWDC

and it sounds interesting to you and me,

but what's really gonna be cool is,

six months, a year from now,

when people, developers are doing cool things with it

and we're like, wow, this is an awesome app

because it does XYZ and XYZ is only possible

because of this.

So it's exciting.

Yeah, great stuff in there.

Good story.

I'm glad that you linked to that as well.

Okay, last things on iOS 26.

I think we touched upon some of these things last week, but there's only so much that Apple can squeeze into an hour, hour and a half long presentation.

And we always enjoy looking at all the features that we know are coming in iOS 26, but they didn't actually talk about too much.

They may have shown it quickly on a screen, what we call the bento box of like all the different features in here.

There are like three or four articles that you linked to today, which I just thought was great.

Like the hidden iOS 26 features that Apple didn't talk about at WWDC.

Just this is fun to run through on some of this.

And there's so many.

I mean, we can't even begin to go through all of them.

But I mean, for example, one of them is the clean camera lens reminder.

So apparently if you're

about to take a picture and your iPhone can sense that there's some smudges or something on your lenses, it will actually tell you.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

before you take this really important picture of your wife and your daughter or whatever,

take your shirt and clean your darn lens, for goodness sakes, because there's a smudge on it.

That's a totally cool feature that's useful.

I mean, it's a minor feature, but I totally love it.

And, oh, there's so many other in here that are – it's just

the list goes on and on.

I don't remember how many he put in here.

The Switch Safari Tab Bar.

I know we talked about that just a little bit.

Search in Apple Wallet.

That's really cool.

I'm excited about that.

There's HDR screenshots.

You know, you take a screenshot,

and if you have the new iPhones, you know that because of the HDR, you have these really rich colors and contrasts and stuff.

Now, I didn't even realize that my current screenshots were not in HDR, but apparently they will be this fall.

It's like just these tiny little features.

It's like I'm glad that they have thought about all of this stuff.

That was cool from Mac.

You got it.

Yeah, go ahead.

Go ahead.

No, no, no.

I was going to jump to another one was the 9to5 Mac, the Michael Burkhart.

He has five of his favorite features.

And one of them they talked about that I was talking about this when you were in town last weekend.

You and I were talking a little bit with one of my brothers.

And auto mix is one of the new features that they have coming out.

We talked about this last week.

Auto mix is the feature that you can have a song.

So like if you're going from one song to another song, the music can just continually go from one song to the next without having the pause between it.

And it adjusts it to make sure like they start the right.

It's the sort of thing that a DJ would do in like a nightclub

to seamlessly

go.

So there was a use case for this that I had never thought of.

So one of my brothers is a marathon runner, right?

He runs all the time in these races and stuff like that.

And he was telling me that before he runs in races, I can imagine, I mean, I do not run

marathons, but if I were, he says that he loves, like, it's totally important to have

like a good music mix to sort of keep you energized and stuff like

that.

And he

has been doing for a while now, there are people that would make a great mix of music

and upload it to YouTube.

And then he would download that and get the audio portion.

And that is what he would run to.

And one of the things he said he likes about it is you don't want pauses between songs when you're running because it sort of gets you out of it.

You want to keep going.

And so he

was joking that now with auto mix, he's like, I can have my own playlist.

I don't have to be downloading nonsense from YouTube.

And I'm like, what an interesting feature.

It never even occurred to me.

I was just thinking that it would be nice for you listening to music at a part of your house and it's just fun to go from one to the other.

But this is an actual real-world use case.

If it matters to you to keep that energy level high,

to not have a break between songs.

So it just shows like an automix is one of 100 bajillion features

that are in the iOS 26.

But every one of these features has the potential

to be really important for different people.

It's just so exciting.

That is great.

I remember seeing the automix, and I don't think that they talked.

No, I think they mentioned it, but it was like really

They

mentioned it, yeah. Yeah,

yeah.

Yeah, in the keynote.

And like I said, I feel like that that's sort of the DJ aspect of that.

But, you know, automix is a nice word to use.

To your point, where MacRumors Joe Rosen will put together 100 new features coming in iOS 26.

So if you can't get enough with me and Jeff talking about it, I'll make sure that the link is in here for 100 new features for iOS 26.

Anyway, all exciting on that.

I appreciate that.

Let's, you know, the thing is, if we don't have an iPhone that's actually charged up, none of these features are going to mean anything.

You had a couple of leaks today about charging your iPhone.

And the main thing that you talked about was one of your favorite chargers, what this is called, the Anker 3-in-1 Cube with MagSafe.

You've liked this so much that you convinced me I bought it, and I actually traveled with it, just like you are.

Look, you've got it in your hand right there.

That

is so

funny.

that is

awesome i use this in my office all the time i sit it down and my iphone's on it and i

can see the time and i can see alerts someone texts me i can see the text messages i love it

and when i travel even though this thing's a little heavy but it's nice and compact it sort of folds

down so for years now i mean i think i first linked to this many many years ago but i fold it down and

when i travel i like i'm sitting here in the hotel room i plug this in and then i can put my iphone

to charge overnight i can put my airpods to charge overnight i can i can i've got an apple watch

charger in here that can charge it. I love it.

So I paid

150 bucks for this. And the reason I linked

to it this week, it's now on sale on Amazon for about a hundred bucks, right? I forget how much

it is, but it's a, it's a substantial discount. I think it's 103 or something, 103. So if you're

looking, if you want, if you don't have something to do standby mode with, this is a great product.

I mean, I use it all the time. I really enjoy it. And you can pay, you know, two thirds of what I

paid for it so great product i

have to say it is heavy but the reason it's heavy is because it's

sturdy in other words if you fit you know you put that little flap up like you were just showing

you put that flap up so that your phone sits on it and you did you reviewed this back in was it

october 2023 so it's been a

few years you've

been using this but once you put you know your your

your iphone magnetizes to that little flip up little thing and it and it's great i travel with

this because I like it so much. It's become the way that I use the iPhone for my alarm clock and

everything. And then like you said, in the morning, when I get up, it's got that little Apple Watch

charger on the side and it's just really fantastic. I'm almost thinking about getting a second one now

because I want to leave one in my suitcase when I travel and then

I

can have one because I know

because I saw you when I saw you last week, you actually have this on your desk at work, right?

That's right. Oh yeah, you're in my office. Yeah, yeah. You set

your iPhone there and you can look

because that becomes like your your clock and your you know your calendar that you look at all the

time

which

is very cool which is really nice uh not to be outdone if you really want another apple

charger this was a fun one you linked today is this spiking or speaking i can't

spigen i don't even

know how you pronounce it yeah okay

that's a third way to say it well if you like the classic imac uh

spiget has done i this is so cute i can't i would want to get one of these it looks like one of the

old iMacs but instead no it is actually an apple watch charger just really a cute little thing and

it looks like it you you actually have to supply apparently your own apple watch charging cable

and you can just pull that in oh i like how they have the little hello on the on the background

there just really cute i mean

come on it's very cute and nostalgic

speaking

they've been around

for a long time so they're very trustworthy on this and i just love

the fact you

can tell they're

Apple fans as well.

Yeah. In fact, when I first got an Apple watch, when did the Apple watch come

out like 10 years ago or something like that? One of the very, one of the very first stands that I

had on my nightstand was made by the same company, Spidgen, Spigen, how you pronounce them.

It was

just a

simple little black thing that, that is the same idea. You take your, your iPhone, the charger

that comes with the Apple watch and you, you put, it's just a place to hold it so you can set down.

And this was long before Apple had, what is it? The, the, the nightstand mode or whatever,

where it shows you the time

and stuff.

It was just very nice to have it.

Well, standby is the modern one,

but I think just for the Apple Watch alone,

I think it was called

nightstand mode.

But regardless, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, but my point is that they've been making

these little, you know,

rubbery devices for a long time.

And

this is a cute one

that looks like the iMac.

It reminds me of the late 1990s

when the iMac came back and saved Apple.

So very cool, very cute.

I love that.

Something a little interesting

you also linked to today.

We've been hearing that a lot of the liquid glass

we were just talking about,

the interface is basically getting pulled from, or I guess we could maybe say influenced by,

the interface with the Vision Pro.

But another thing that one of the things with Vision Pro that they were mentioning was that

one of the new features coming is scrolling in the Vision Pro with your eyes.

And I immediately think of like a web browser, right?

But instead of like clicking and dragging down with, I know I got to use your Vision Pro,

like you would take your fingers and you would drag it down.

You could scroll with your eyes.

Now, that sounds so cool, but then I'm trying to think from a practical standpoint,

how is that going to work?

But you had a really interesting article for Computer World

about maybe some of the technologies that could be incorporated

or how even that the Vision Pro is going to influence other things

you're going to be working with.

What Mike Elgin is really talking about in this is that in this world that we have,

well, in fact, this is a great example because we're doing it right now.

We're in this video conferencing world that we had been doing for years and years

and especially during COVID, we all sort of learned how to do it even more. And one of the problems is

when you're talking to someone in real life, you make eye contact with them. And that's important.

It's no for

establishing contact. As I'm

talking to you right now, Brett, for anyone watching the

video version of this, I have my iPad down here. So if I want to see your face, like right now,

I'm looking at your face. But even though I'm looking at my face, because I have to look down,

you're looking at the top of my head. I'm using an external camera on my iPad. And if I look here,

Now you can see my eyes, but I can't see you at all.

And this is something that it's just sort of the problem of technology.

We've all been on these Zoom calls, Microsoft Teams calls, whatever it is, where you're talking to someone and you see the side of their face the whole time.

And you know that they're looking at you because the camera's over here.

It's just a little off-putting.

And so what Mike Elgin describes is the Apple Vision Pro and other devices from other companies are one of the advantages of them is that because of the way that they do the technology, you can just talk.

And I will look directly like if I was wearing my Apple Vision Pro right now and I was using like the persona feature, you would see the persona of me and my eyes would be looking directly at you.

And I would be seeing in this virtual space you right here.

But I would be – and so it's – he says it's actually nice to get back to the eye contact because I could do that with my Apple Vision Pro.

But because I'm using my iPad right now, I can either look down to look at you or up to look at my camera.

And it's just sort of an unfortunate side effect of the technology.

And it would be nice if in the future tech help us to correct this.

You know, there's even things that – I think he talked about some tech in here that like some – and this is almost a little freaky.

Like the technology will adjust your eyeballs so that it looks like your eyeballs are looking at the camera, even if you're actually not.

But it's an interesting problem.

I'm sure you've noticed this before in your video conferences.

Like you don't feel like – you feel just a little bit more disconnected because you can't see the person's eye.

You know what I'm talking about.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Not to even mention – I mean go another step further is like the body language because when we're talking with somebody

in person,

you can see the whole body,

et cetera.

Hands and everything, yeah.

But I will just say I found this a little bit interesting.

Like you're right.

I was kind of going back to the Vision Pro because I don't know that we've had a device that can follow and track your eyes, at least from a consumer standpoint, quite as good as what I have been – when I had the chance to use your Vision Pro, just to be able to see that.

And I just get more excited about that, and I think it's obviously from the cameras that they're using and the angles.

But, you know, and then that said, you mentioned the personas.

Just quickly, another one of the things.

I've listened to three or four podcasts, Jeff, since WWDC.

People have actually tried the developer beta of Vision OS 26 on the Vision Pro, and everybody has just been so excited about how good those personas are going to be looking now.

And to your

point, we're talking about here.

Just the fact that that looks so much more 3D, I think that alone is going to help even maybe from some of the meetings on there.

But, I mean, I just was getting so happy hearing people talking about the personas and the improvements that they're making on that as well.

I can't wait for

that.

Yeah, as you and I are talking here on June 20th, I don't think that the Vision OS public beta is out, but as soon as it comes out, and it's going to be soon, that's the one I'm

going to install.

I'm

going to install that beta.

I want it on my – and I cannot wait to try out that new Persona feature.

It looks really good.

Let's do a quick Where You At segment.

We

should have had a Where You At

segment.

We were in New Orleans because that's where we were at.

But this was a fun one, again, involving AirTags.

Wow, what a fun story.

Apparently, this is over in the U.K., so this comes from BBC.

this couple had a jaguar suv it was stolen and maybe you can there was something in here

about um something that they had like an immobility feature or something anyway apparently the thieves

were able to overcome that but they were not able to overcome the air tag and yeah i mean called

the police and said our jaguar has been stolen but the police were kind of like ah good luck we'll

try to get there when we can so what do they do not something that we always recommend all the

time but they went and stole their jaguar back i'm now again they had the police they let the police

know that they were doing but they were able to find it track it down they had to call jaguar

apparently to override the software that the thieves had messed up in there but because of

the air

tag they were able to recover it back again what a fun story

yeah and that's the bizarre

thing is like they they were trying to protect the car they had this technology that i've never seen

it in person, but I understand the idea of it, that like, when you get in the car, you can't

start it until you type in a specific passcode. And you would think that that would be a pretty,

pretty good deterrent for thieves,

but thieves thieves

were sophisticated enough that they knew

how to disable or get around that system. So they were able to bypass that and still steal the car.

And yet, and yet they were foiled because the air tag in it. And as you say, you know, you're

taking your life in your own hands. If you're going to go after the criminals themselves,

Obviously, they could have had a gun or could have been a bad situation.

So it's a little dangerous.

But whenever – I mean they found their car, and for these people, it was the solution.

They were able to get it back because of the AirTag.

So the thousands and thousands of dollars of immobilization technology did not protect the Jaguar, but the $25 AirTag did.

Allow them to go back.

They called it a bit of an adventure,

but I just

thought that was cool.

Again, they did notify the police, and apparently the police were there to support them if they needed to or something along those lines.

But the car wasn't very far away, and they were able to get that back.

Pretty interesting.

Well, we saved the best for last, a brand-new iPhone camera.

So excited to announce this.

All right.

It is true.

It's a camera from the iPhone internals, but it's not something that any of us are going to be able to enjoy anytime soon.

why don't you explain about this because it's kind of like this kind of segues into an in the show

segment too because it's all for the love of the f1 car yes

so apple's been working on this f1 movie

which has obviously been out in previews and it comes out for real i think next weekend actually

it's coming out very soon and um one of the things f1 cars i mean i i've never really watched f1 race

or at least not much but i know that they have like tons of great car angles and stuff and that

include special cameras that are actually on the cars and apparently the you know they're all over

the cars but some of those on car cameras and you're showing sort of what they look like or

this is the apple version which is an imitation of it it's got like this very aerodynamic shape to it

and it fits on the car and apparently it's good enough for a live broadcast of you know you want

to see from the car's angles and feel like you're at the car but if you're watching a movie on a big

imax screen if you were to take that vision that that video quality and bring it all the way up to

an iMac screen, it would look sort of fuzzy. And so Apple is like, we have to replace this with a

better camera. And the problem is the F1 people are like, well, you know, if you're going to be

using F1 cars and F1 tracks, you know, you can't just put a different camera on there because the

aerodynamics will be off and everything else. So Apple had to take the superior camera that's in an

iPhone and fit it into the exact same shape and weight of the current cameras so that they, it

would be safe from f1 standpoint and so that's what they did so this is a very specialized version of

an iphone also they had to remove all the radios from it because apparently you can't have radios

because there's all sorts of restrictions there but it's just sort of funny that like if you know

if warner brothers is making a movie you know they can do there's certain things that they can do but

when apple makes a movie like you need a special kind of technology for the movie it's like oh okay

we'll just get somebody in one of our labs to make one of those and we'll use it for the movie

so i thought that was really really cute i have to admit that the buzz that i'm seeing on this f1

movie people say it's a really good movie i don't go to the movies that often i love watching movies

on my tv at home and stuff like that on my nice big tv or my vision pro but i think this is one

that i'm going to go to the theater for uh because

oh really it looks

like it's going to be a fun

movie and i we we have once we have a theater in new orleans it's got an imax screen and i think

this movie

okay yeah

i think it might look really good on an imax screen so my son's into cars he

and i might

have to check this one out yeah so i'm talking about the imax i thought you would just

wait until he came out for the vision pro i mean you're definitely that would be great yeah that

would be great but

and

i'm sure it'll be amazing

on the vision pro yeah

but you know this one it's

going to be such an adrenaline rush you might it might be when you want to be in a theater for with

all the people and stuff like that so uh so that'll be fun but if i do want to watch nobody well go

ahead and then i'll do my transition i

was just saying like i've heard people talking about this

it's this almost seems like similar to the way that apple has incorporated soccer like we got

everybody got so excited about soccer or football right first of all with ted lasso people were

getting into that and then apple gets the rights to show mls games right right i feel like this is

another kind of a of an angle jeff i don't know if this is if this is

intentional i kind of think

that it could be you know f1 racing is not the most popular one of the most popular sports in america

But the fact that they are going all in, obviously, on F1.

I mean, they even had Craig Federici and Air Force One, you know, doing the laps around the Cupertino, the loop.

I mean, they're going all in, and they're obviously making a huge splash with this.

Is there something maybe coming eventually with, like, they're going to get the rights to show F1 racing maybe with Apple TV Plus?

Purely conjecture, but it would not surprise me in the least.

It's amazing.

Like there's so many people like you and I that don't really probably have any interest in F1 racing.

I'm thinking about going to an IMAX theater and watching this.

I mean,

that's just something,

you know, pretty amazing that Apple is drumming up here.

It would not surprise me in the least.

Apple loves the idea of live sports.

I heard somebody say, and again, I don't watch them, but my understanding is that the F1 races are all done in Europe,

which means that from a time, from the time standpoint, at least for American viewers,

they would be in, it would be, they're not the best times.

It's not like it's going to be prime time in America

because it's, you know, seven hours,

eight hours ahead in Europe or whatever it is.

So there's that issue.

But Apple is definitely looking for things

that they can buy the rights to.

They've got the MLS soccer rights in the United States.

I could totally see them.

I mean, they are a global company.

I could totally see them saying, you know,

we're going to purchase the F1 rights.

And you're right.

I mean, because this big movie is coming out,

maybe that's the only explanation.

But Apple seems to be so in love with F1 right now.

I agree with you, Brett.

I do wonder if there's more there that we don't know about yet.

And that maybe in a year or two, they will somehow acquire the worldwide rights for that.

And so consistent with that, this is what I was about to say.

And I haven't had a chance to look at this yet because since I'm traveling right now,

I sometimes take my Vision Pro when I travel.

I didn't take it this time.

And but I wish I had now because apparently Apple has just released a vision, an immersive

Vision Pro movie that is Brad Pitt in an F1.

I guess they

put one

of their special 3D cameras in there.

And so from this article from Mike Curley on

his new website, The Enthusiast,

he

says that when you're watching the immersive video, you could turn your head and you can see,

hello, Brad Pitt, how you doing over there?

And you can turn your head over there and you can see the car.

So I will be watching.

As soon as I get home from my trip, I will be home watching this one, but I haven't seen it yet.

You're

going to sit in the cockpit with Brad Pitt.

Exactly.

As one does.

Fantastic.

That's great.

I love it.

All right, good.

But in the know, how

about a couple of gadgets?

You had a gadget.

You inspired me.

I'm going to do a flashlight.

Not that

crazy

fun, but so necessary.

There's a company called ThruNite, T-H-R-U-N-I-T-E, ThruNite.

I think they're based out of China, so hopefully no tariff issues or anything going on there.

But I don't think so because it's still a pretty good price now.

There's different colors.

This is a little tiny flashlight.

In fact, let me bring up the Amazon page here because that's probably what I'll link to there.

It's like almost three and a half inches long.

So I've got my little through night saber is what this is.

Oh, it's a cute

little thing.

Yeah, it is a cute little thing.

So when I do travel or just I love having sort of a pocket size flashlight.

This probably may be a little bit bigger than I would actually carry in my pocket.

But especially when I'm traveling or going anywhere, I just like to have a good, reliable flashlight that I can put in my pocket and have out.

And this I like.

The other thing about there's so many pocket flashlights out there, but I find so often, Jeff, that they're fairly complicated.

Like you've got to click it three times to get to, you know, a low beam and then click it again three times to get to a high beam.

Or then it's like goes through a flashing thing.

Well, this I love because it's so simple.

This is the through night saber that if you press it once, you get a low beam.

And if you click it off and you press it on again, you get a high beam.

You click it off and you press it again, you're low beam.

Click it off, click it again, your high beam.

I just like that simplicity on there.

In fact, you don't even have to click the button all the way down.

You can just hold it down a little bit, and it will come on for as long as you need it.

And it's pretty good.

I feel like I forget the actual lumens that it goes to.

I think the low beam is what I call this, or the low end of it is like 24 lumens.

And then the high beam I feel like is maybe 300 and something lumens.

It says 659 here, but I think you have to have a specific kind of a battery on this.

It's 3.8 inches long, 3.8 inches long, very small.

Fits in my hand very well, and it's very sturdy.

I like that.

You know, the fact that I don't want it to be plasticky and scraped.

This is like metal body.

There's just one AA battery that goes into it.

And interesting enough, they sent this.

The battery that comes with it is actually a rechargeable AA battery.

I don't know if you've seen these before, but they actually send this.

You can use any AA battery, but it's actually it looks like a AA battery,

but there's a little USB-C port at the top of this

AA battery

in here.

And so I just recharge the battery.

I don't have to recharge the actual flashlight.

And I know there's a lot of rechargeable flashlights,

but in my mind I've always said, well, what if you're not near,

you know, you're camping or something,

and you don't actually have a power port to actually charge it,

but you can probably carry a couple of extra AA batteries.

And that's one of the reasons I like this is I like to make sure that wherever I'm going, I don't have to worry about charging the flashlight.

I can just always put in a AA battery in that.

And for me, that kind of gives me a little bit of solace in working with that.

So anyway, that's my little gadget.

This is the ThruNight Sabre 659.

But if you just go and Google ThruNight, T-H-R-U-N-I-T-E, Sabre, on ThruNight's website, it's like $19.

But you can get it on Amazon for $15.99.

Now, that's the

black. If you

wanted

some additional colors, then it's a little bit more expensive.

But that's my pick for the day, Jeff, is through night saber, little handheld flashlight.

That is a fun little gadget. I like it. My pick today is also a gadget.

And when I was thinking about gadgets, I mean, this is what's in front of me.

This is a gadget that I have been using for a long time now in the Hyperdrive

six in

one.

I bought it. I forget originally what I linked to it is it was many, many, many years ago.

It was originally a Kickstarter thing, and then they sell it.

And sometimes I buy a gadget because it looks sort of fun, and I play with it, and then it goes wherever it goes.

But there are some gadgets that I continuously use over and over again for years and years, and this is one of those.

So it's definitely something that I recommend.

So here's the thing.

When the iPad first had a USB-C port, we knew that that would allow us to have a lot more functionality of plug things in.

And so this is something that is, it makes to fit.

It fits right on the side of the iPad.

I've got mine on the side of my iPad right

now.

You

just stick it in there and it gives you all of the ports you might possibly want.

You have a regular USB port.

You have an SD card slot.

You have another USB-C so you could plug that in and continue to charge your iPad even as it's charged.

You have HDMI out, which I can use for giving presentations.

You have a, what is it called?

Like if you want to plug in a pair of headphones, whatever that little port thing is called.

3.5 millimeter, the audio jack

is what they call it.

The audio jack, exactly.

You have an audio jack.

You know, anything that you might want is right there on it.

And the device itself is so tiny.

So I just, I keep that in my little bag.

It's always with me no matter where I am.

And if I ever have a need, it's like, oh, I need to hook up a bunch of stuff to my iPad.

I want to hook up some external drives, but they're USB, not USB-C, whatever.

I just put this thing on it.

And so as I'm sitting here talking to you right now, Brett, I am, the camera that I'm using

is just like a Logitech camera

because I thought the quality

might be a little bit higher

and I have like a little tripod

sitting on top of the ice computer

in my hotel room here.

But just to like get a good angle

to look at you.

So I have this external camera,

but my camera is USB-C.

And so I needed a way

to get that connected to my iPad.

So I just put the little hyperdrive on there.

I plug in the USB to the side.

I've also got USB,

I mean the USB to the side.

I've got a USB-C cord with power

that's going over here to an outlet.

So I can make sure that my iPad stays charged.

But it's just such a virtual – it's so useful.

I love it.

I love it.

I love it.

Now, the version that I bought, which I did a review on, and I had – I think I have a link to you somewhere there many, many years ago.

What

year did I do that review?

It was back in 20

…

So,

I mean, I've been using this thing for six years now.

So that version, they don't sell that one anymore.

What they now sell is a more advanced version that you were just showing on Amazon because – and I haven't tried this one.

But the more advanced version, it's all the features that mine has, plus on the top of it, which for mine is just a flat surface.

For

this one, they actually have controls, play, pause, and whatever else.

And so that's just nice if you're using your iPad to watch a movie.

And if you just want to very quickly play, pause, you can do it with an actual physical button, which I'm sure that would be nice.

If I was buying one today, of course, I would buy this version because it's the same price and has more features.

So it's even better than the one that I have.

But the one that I have is great.

If you want to have, it's the jack of all trades device.

Just throw that in your briefcase, in your bag, your purse, whatever.

And then anytime you need to hook something up to your iPad, this is going to have you covered.

So I've just, you know, I've been using it consistently whenever I travel, whenever I'm in my office.

I use it all the time.

Big thumbs up from me.

I might have to look into this.

So two things quickly.

You know, I travel with a USB hub like this, right?

It's got like the little dongle cable

on there.

And that works

great for either my Mac book, my Mac laptop or my iPad.

But I like this, the fact that it just shoves up right up against the

side.

That is the key part.

Right.

That's a big

deal that it goes anywhere.

And can I just address that, Brett, just on that

one feature?

I've had those before.

I've tried those.

But like right now, my iPad is sort of like in a like a I'm in a case that have an external keyboard and my iPad is sort of sitting at an angle like a

laptop would.

And so with that hole on the side, if I used the sort of thing that you were describing, it would be hanging off the side, dangling off.

The weight would pull it.

It would come

out.

And this hyper thing, this device, hyperdrive, that is flush to the side of the iPad, it doesn't just look good.

That's actually a useful feature.

So anyway, go ahead.

But that's why I love it.

I like that.

Well, I'm just going to tell you, the second thing is I remember looking at your review from 2019.

It did not have those what they call the media control buttons on there.

But I love that because I'll tell you on my Mac laptop, my MacBook Pro, in the function keys, F7, F8 and F9 is exactly the same things.

It's like the pause play button is F8 and then the back button is F7 and the next song button is F9.

And I love those buttons on my MacBook Pro because if I'm listening to Spotify or Apple Music or, frankly, any kind of audio coming out, I can control it just by using those buttons, even if it's playing in the background.

Like if Spotify isn't in the button center, I can use those buttons.

And I miss that every time that I'm working on my iPad because if I want to pause my Spotify that I'm playing in the background of my iPad, at least right now, then I have to, like, go and bring Spotify to the forefront and tap the pause button.

And just the fact that I can have those buttons on that little – on this hyperdrive on the side, that's fantastic.

I love that.

I might have to look into investing into this now.

I've seen these, and sometimes I do feel like I don't know if I want something on the side of my iPad, but you've convinced me.

I like the way you're talking about it now.

And it can be a little bit more sturdy than maybe just having one of these things like that dangled.

And I always get nervous because it's like if it's dangling off the side like that, is it like pulling from the USB port on the bottom of my iPad?

I don't want to have to worry about that.

Great, great pick on that.

I like that.

Good stuff there.

Well, lots of iOS 26, lots of fun gadgets we're talking about.

More to talk about even next week.

My friend, thanks as always, Jeff, and we'll talk with you next week.

Thanks, Fred.

Bye-bye, everybody.