Welcome to In the News for March 27, 2026. We're here together. I'm Brett Burney from Appsinlaw.com

I couldn't even say your part because I know we're together. This is Jeff Richardson from iPhone JD. We are in lovely Chicago. It's beautiful. We can see the skyline

here. I wish we could turn it around, but we're looking at the skyline all lit up. It's a little

bit later at night because we're recording this late at night. We've been at the tech show, ABA

tech show conference all day and my room in this hotel is basically in the

basement but you have a very nice room because you were the co-chair of this

year's ABA tech show they have the suite up here we have the lake over on the

side we're looking at the skyline of Chicago it's it's pretty cool we just

finished the first day of the conference tomorrow yeah second day of the

conference it's been fantastic I mean there's so many great sessions it's been

the latest technology I mean obviously AI is everywhere but other things too

the enthusiasm has been great it's you know so many fantastic people from around the country

around the world I mean international people I know I know it's uh we are tracking like the

largest conference like attendee wise people come it's it's been great we have a whole day tomorrow

next door to the Chicago comic-con I know we've talked about this but you see they're already

setting up we have seen people come in with like costumes it's the C2E2 Chicago comic

and entertainment expo, but it's basically the Chicago version

of Comic-Con, and as I was walking back from the sessions

today, Brett, I ran into these very lovely young ladies

that had ears, pointy ears.

- Oh, like elf ears.

- It was sort of an elf-ish, and then some other people

had like a cape, and this was the night before the conference.

What are we gonna see tomorrow?

It's gonna be crazy.

- It's gonna be pretty crazy, yeah.

- I will tell you this, it's very easy to tell the difference

between the attorneys, a tech show, and the Comic-Con attendees.

There's really not a lot of crossover.

It's very clear which conference they're here for.

It's going to be fun.

I'm excited.

We have a whole day tomorrow of the educational sessions.

I'm doing two sessions tomorrow.

I know you are.

I know we packed you into the Friday.

And then tomorrow at the end of the day is our second keynote, which I'm pretty excited about.

Neelai Patel of The Verge, who you and I talk about.

We talk about him all the time.

I know.

He's going to be here. I'm very excited about that.

Former Chicago IP attorney, then went on to Engadget, and then started The Verge, and is now one of the key members of the tech press.

I actually got to see some of his slides, and we were talking about it today, and I'm even more excited about his presentation.

It's going to be great.

It's going to be good.

Okay, well, let's talk about some of the news of the week.

So what's in the news?

There's several things. Well, just this morning, actually, before we jumped into the conference, we have been talking about iOS 26.4, right? We've been looking for it. We talked about this last week, mostly because of the new emojis. But there were several things. And I upgraded all of my devices this morning, or maybe it was a couple of days ago. Everything went great. It didn't take very long. I like these point updates that they do.

And I remember specifically one of the other things we talked about when I, after I finished upgrading it, I opened the music app.

And sure enough, it popped right up.

It's like, we can find concerts for you right now.

That was one of the things.

So I said last week that this has been in Spotify for a while, almost to the point of annoyance at some point.

Because it's like, I just want to listen to the band.

I don't need to know that they're going to be, you know, within 50 miles doing a concert.

Although sometimes that is cool to do.

but I saw it pop up in the Apple Music app today

as part of 26.4.

- Very cool, very cool.

Some other interesting features is,

you can now have changes to the payment methods

in a family group.

And I will tell you, this one comes home for me

because I have a family group, right?

Me and my wife, my two kids.

And what it means is, anytime somebody purchases an app

or something like that, it's all used to the same credit card,

which is my credit card.

- Right, the Apple credit card, probably, right?

- Which is my Apple credit card, exactly,

because I get 3% back.

But it is, when my kids were little,

of course I wanted to know

if they were gonna purchase an app, right?

Or do in-app purchases.

But nowadays they're getting older at some point.

But then my wife, I don't need to know that she's buying.

I mean, it's fine.

It's not like we have any secrets to each other.

So this is interesting.

If I understand the feature and I haven't done it yet,

she will be able to put it on her own credit card

and just like, come on.

I mean, I wanna be in a family with her

all the other purposes of the Apple sharing features,

but I don't need to see her purchase history.

She doesn't need to see my purchase,

or I guess she doesn't really see mine

because I'm the primary cardholder.

So that's a change that's coming.

I haven't implemented it yet.

- Okay, okay.

- And then we talked last week about that

improved accuracy when typing.

It's not a problem that I've had,

but I've heard people say this,

that if you type too fast, the keyboard doesn't keep up

and they fixed that, so that's good.

- So they did fix it in 26.4.

- As of this week, it's fixed.

- 'Cause I saw something that maybe

that they were waiting, but I'm so curious to hear people that had the issue to verify

that it's actually fixed.

Haven't read it yet, but hopefully.

I know that Apple says they fixed it, but I want to know the people that have actually

been having the issue and they've been challenged about it.

So I'm anxious to see that maybe next week people start covering that.

There you go.

And then some ancillary things too, because with the no iOS, you've got some CarPlay changes.

Yep.

Some minor ones, like it says it's support for AI voice assistant apps, which I think

means I haven't tried this out yet but I think it means like I don't know like a chat GPT app or

something like that you can use those voice assistants in carplay I haven't tried it yet

but I know that's a feature there's some minor changes for the vision pro system the vision os

26.4 did you update yours I did update okay but I haven't many of the features that they've changed

I'm not going to see them right away like one of them is something called here's a little techie

thing but it might be an interesting topic it's called foveated streaming and what foveated

streaming whoa okay when you think about and this is not just a vision pro this

is like the future of all these interactive if Apple makes glasses in

the futures or whatever like that your eyes are only looking at something

that's right in front of you you know how things people talk about seeing thing

you know in your peripheral visual right right and so they noticed when they did

the vision pro Apple noticed that you only need to have the highest quality

image right in the center part the stuff to the side doesn't have to be as high

quality and why does that matter because it means you don't need the bandwidth

and it means that you have streaming video. So Apple's own videos are sort of

smart enough to do this foveated remilling that where you're looking is

perfectly crisp but to the stuff to the side doesn't need to be so it's not and

so as I understand the change they've now made that something that developers

can use yeah what it basically means is that

I'll go with the light. You just keep talking.

It means that developers can be more efficient with their streaming and for

listening to the audio version were in a room that has these lights that go off if you don't move in

every two seconds or something like that. So anyway, some complicated stuff that they've done and they've

also, so this is a fun one too, I just have to say because I think it's so cool that Apple does this.

There is an improvement in the Vision OS to spatial audio that when the Vision OS, it understands the

rooms that you're in for visual purposes because I can put a clock on the wall or I can do things

like that but also for audio purposes so it will make things bounce off the walls just as if it

was a real object in your room and so the new change is now your vision pro can recognize oh

this is Jeff's living room I've been here before I already know the spatial audio of this room and I

can be that much faster in making sure things sound right am I sophisticated enough in my

hearing to notice the perfect audio but now you know it's there but now it's going to be there even

So it's like, it's a geeky detail that like the people at Apple, kudos to you for figuring this out.

Yes, yes.

I'm sure it makes a difference, but like this shows how detail-oriented they are.

But anyway, so those are some of the changes that have come out in Vision OS.

Again, so I always ask this.

I think it's safe to say we've only been working with 26.4 for maybe a day or two.

I don't have any hesitation to tell people like it's worth doing the upgrade.

because we had that background security update that they had, right?

But I think that they added some additional security patches and updates in 26.4

or maybe improved upon it or something like that.

I didn't listen to it in this week's post.

There's something like 25, 35 improvements.

There's quite a few of them.

To me, it's like no question.

Do the upgrade on that.

The real way I know that you're right is, and we say this every year,

we said it last week, when Apple updates the emoji,

that's the way of saying it's safe for everybody.

because they know so many people don't even pay attention to iPhone updates.

But then if their friend texts them something and they get a black box,

they're like, oh, I better update so I can see what that black box is.

So I can see what that is.

So Apple gave this the thumbs up by putting the emoji in this release.

Well said.

And that makes me give it the thumbs up too.

Speaking of Apple, so now that we have the new update,

we got a date for WWDC, the Worldwide Developers Conference.

Now, we're not developers, but we're always excited about it

there is at least one public keynote address where they like roll things out

as typically the next version of the operating system right right if nothing

else because we know that that's where some of those announcements gonna come

in just because that's the audience that they're developing there it's a

developer audience that they're doing there now there's sometimes they'll do a

couple of hardware things but it's mostly most on the software side yeah so the

date of it is June 8th June 8th and last year on Monday I'll double check I'm sure

- I'm sure that is.

And last year was a change because last year

they decided to call the next version of the OS iOS 26.

The idea being that it comes out at the end of 25

and it carries over 26.

So I just have to presume that what they're gonna come out

with this summer is gonna be called iOS 27.

It will be announced in June, June 8th, as you just said.

It will presumably come out, I'm gonna guess September.

It pretty much always comes out in September.

And then between September of 2026 through the summer

or really through September 2027,

that will be the current version of the operating system.

And, you know, whenever you have the big number,

presumably it means big features.

Yeah.

I mean, I've been saying this for two or three years now,

but will iOS 20, well,

iOS 27 be the one that we see significant new AI features?

I mean, we know that Apple has the deal with Google, Gemini, right?

So we know they're going to want to incorporate that.

I seriously doubt we'll see it between now and June.

I would hope that it's ready enough that we'll hear about it on June 8th.

I hope so.

Yeah, we'll see.

Because it was the infamous WWDC 2024.

Two years ago.

When they made all the announcements on AI, and we are still waiting for some of those.

They over-promised and under-delivered, which Apple hates to do.

Okay, and then just real quick, you talked about iOS 26.

They leaped from iOS 18 to 26.

But they also made sure that all of the other Mac OS, iPad OS, TV OS, watch OS was all matching because we had different numbers of the versions that they were at.

So everything got matched to the number 26.

So presumably, everything will match the number on 27.

Which I kind of look back now when they first announced it, I'm like, is that going to be a little too confusing?

Looking back now, I'm pretty happy with that.

I got to say, personally, I think it's nice that everything is the same.

We know what the year is.

You know, we don't have to like, is that, was that last year?

Was that, you know, two years ago that you had watchOS 8 or 9 or something like that?

I'll give you an example of that.

I will sometimes run into like a family member that haven't updated their phone forever.

And they are on iOS 6.

I don't even know.

I'm going to say 16.

And like my brain, when was iOS 6?

I don't remember when that was.

Yeah.

But now in the future, when someone is on, I'm on iOS 26.

Right.

You're still on iOS 26.

That came out in 2025, which is just before 2026.

It's like the new car analogy, right?

It's like the new car analogy.

That's what we talked about.

Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right, you had something else I think that we mentioned about the Apple Maps app now.

I think we may have mentioned this before where they are now going to put ads in the Apple Maps.

And I know, I feel like everybody that you say that to has the same gut reaction like I did.

And I'm like, why?

Like, I don't want you to throw ads into my Apple Maps.

But I think it was John Gruber that you linked to?

It was Wes Hilliard.

Oh, Wes Hilliard.

Okay, okay.

You know, in my mind, ads in the Maps app, I'm like, seriously, this is going to junk it up.

Who wants this?

This is going to be a pain.

And Wes has a good argument.

You know, I mentioned this in the post.

He's like, you know, remember the old yellow pages.

I'm old enough to remember what a yellow pages are.

You are too.

- And like, if you're looking to hire a plumber,

yes, you would turn to the yellow pages to plumber,

but you only pay so much attention to the people

with the individual small type entries.

What you really look at is the ads, right?

And like, if a plumber has a full page ad,

then I'm like, oh, that's a pretty good plumber.

And if he has a half page ad--

- You pay attention to it.

- You pay attention,

'cause you know they're at least established enough for that.

Or, I mean, I will also admit there was a day,

back in the day, when I would get magazines,

like, you know, all the tech magazines,

because I enjoyed looking at the ads.

So, I mean, you don't want to be told again.

We're in an age of the internet where ads, they jump at your face and you can't get them off the screen.

And it's autoplay videos.

Yeah, I know.

And it's horrible.

Yeah.

But his point is there is a way to do tasteful and helpful ads.

Helpful.

I like the helpful side.

And his prediction is Apple hopefully has the good taste to do it.

I hope he's right.

I hope he's right, too.

Here's my counter to him.

You use News Plus, Apple News Plus, like I do, too.

When you read an article on Apple News Plus, you're reading articles and then there's an ad.

And it's a stupid ad.

And then you have another paragraph and it's the same ad.

I know.

And a few more and it's the same ad.

And I'm like, give me a break.

I know. I'm right with you.

So whoever is doing the ads in Apple News Plus, if they're the people doing the ads in Maps, oh mama.

It's not going to be good.

It ain't going to be good.

No.

It ain't going to be good.

It ain't going to be good.

I think about that because I'm like, I'm paying for news.

Like, why are you throwing so?

I'm okay with maybe one or two, but I hear you.

It's the same ad.

And then it's like a picture, and it's like,

is that the picture that goes with this story?

Okay, anyway, you can tell.

Time will tell.

It hasn't been implemented yet.

I don't know when it's going to happen.

We'll see what that looks like.

But Apple has told us it's coming soon.

If you have a Samsung phone,

you might start getting some airdrop requests pretty soon.

I know that I've heard about this before,

or there's been rumors that this was going to happen,

that Samsung phones were going to support it,

or maybe the other way around.

So the reason you've heard about it, Brett,

is because about a month or so ago,

I forget what it was,

sometime in the recent history,

Google announced that they had figured out,

they figured out Apple's AirDrop format,

and they backward engineered it,

and they figured out a way to have Google phones,

like the Google Pixel, Android phone,

could work with AirDrop.

- The Google phones, okay.

- My understanding is that Apple was like, what?

But the tech people that have figured out says,

whatever they did, they figured out in a way

that they don't think that Apple can work around it

because it would actually destroy the AirDrop system.

And so it may continue to work.

And so now the announcement that was this week

is that Samsung, which of course is the market leader,

they've announced that they're gonna have it too.

And you know, I have to say,

I hope that, I mean, you know that Apple

could do something to fight back,

but I sort of hope they don't.

Because you and I know how useful it is,

especially here at a conference.

You wanna share something with someone.

You know, you could text them a picture,

but sometimes it changes the quality.

Airdrop is such an easy way to do it.

Yeah.

And sometimes I encounter a friend using a Samsung phone and it would be nice to airdrop them.

Just to send it that quickly.

That would work.

Yeah.

We will see whether this is something that works for a month and then Apple figures out some way to mess it up.

To restrict it.

I'm sort of hopeful that Apple says, you know what?

We may not officially support this, but we won't actively break it.

That's my hope.

We'll see.

That's my hope.

One of my favorite apps we've talked about several times is Flighty.

I do a little bit of travel.

And so having, well, it used to we would have like a flight tracker, like flight radar or a couple of those.

We talked about TripIt as a way to like keep track of your flights.

And if you get the pro version, you have some alerts on things.

Since I started using Flighty, which has got to be at least two years now, because I know I have paid for the pro version.

It has just been fantastic.

And even my family now, I didn't get a family version of Flighty, but they can still get a free version and track my flights.

Which is nice because they don't have to ask where I am or anything like that.

Well, they just announced a new, I think they call it, is it the airport intelligence?

Is that what they call it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

At first, you're kind of like, what?

But this is cool because it shows and tracks your flights.

But this airport intelligence can actually tell you.

So I pulled it up here, so I updated it here.

It'll tell you, like we're in Chicago as we're recording this,

so it tells you at Chicago O'Hare,

high cancellations, ground delay, and strong winds.

'Cause we've been having some weather today,

it's been raining out there.

But I just like the fact that it talks about,

you can search airports, and it kind of gives you an idea

of what's happening at that airport.

- And not only what's happening right now,

but one of the things that they advertise,

and I have a chart on myself,

is that they can actually forecast airport delays

based upon all the data that they pull together.

That's sort of the AI that they pulled into that.

What's going on with the AI to it.

And it sounds pretty cool.

It does.

But I tell you, Flighty always gives me great insights.

It's really cool.

It often has that feature that says, like, your plane has arrived.

And I know that some airlines have that feature buried in their app if you find it.

But for Flighty, it's always just right there.

Go get the light again.

You keep talking.

So I was flying here to Chicago.

In fact, when I flew to Chicago, Brett, it was in the middle of all the TSA nonsense.

Yes.

But, you know, there had just been a report that the New Orleans airport was one of the worst in the country with six-hour delays for TSA.

So I got to the airport super early.

Turned out it was fine on Wednesday morning when I was there.

But, you know, things like that, you know, a flighty app, knowing when flights change, making sure what's going on, getting suggestions.

It's a really great app.

And it does, I forget what it costs.

It's not cheap.

But if you do travel enough, it's a great app.

And I love that they keep coming out with new features.

Absolutely.

And this is their new one.

- I think it's now, I wanna say,

it's either 50 or $59 a year.

- It's worth it though.

- That's just single, that's not,

it's a little bit more if you wanna get a family

version on that.

- But for what the value it gives you

and the peace of mind and the information,

and plus it's so easy too.

I mean, as I'm walking from one,

you know, I land in Atlanta and I'm going to my next flight,

and I know that the Delta app,

which I was flighting on has some of this too,

but flighty is just so nice.

All the information's right there.

I can look at my watch, see what gate I'm going to,

see how much time I have.

It's everything that you as a traveler would wanna know.

it's got and now it's got even more with this new feature and the live updates that they were one

of the first to have those live updates on the screen now most apps will like most airline apps

will have some of that that's because i have both united that'll pop up and flighty on there but

flighty historically has always been a lot more great information so anyway good update and if

you're already subscribing it just it just gets added into that which is good we've been at tech

show let's take a pause you have been you my friend have been walking around the show and

grabbing folks that you know make sure you get you you you got their agreement and they have

been sharing some great little interviews with you i'm just so thankful that you've been walking

around doing i've seen you today brett you've been so busy behind the scenes running the show making

sure that the well-oiled machine runs and sometimes i'll see you go by me and like i find somebody

interesting and we start talking and I'm like, do you mind sharing that?

And so I've been recording these things.

So we're going to take a break from the pod, from, from us talking in the podcast,

and we're going to shift over to some interesting things that people here at Tech Show had to

say.

And then after you listen to this for a little bit, Brett and I will be right back with our

tips of the week.

Hey, I'm Bob Ambrosie.

I write a blog called Law Sites.

I have a podcast called Law Next.

And I also run the Startup Alley here at ABA Tech Show, which we are at the morning after

right now, which is maybe why I'm a little raspy as we talk.

But last night was the 10th annual Startup Alley.

This is a competition where legal tech startups come in and pitch,

and the audience gets to vote.

I thought it was a really interesting year for it.

A couple of trends, but actually the one that won was a company called Callbox,

which is focused on helping lawyers get paid,

which I think tells you something about maybe the state of what lawyers need out of technology.

And another one was a product that helped lawyers get things done within their inboxes.

And I thought that was, use AI to kind of manage tasks right out of their email inboxes.

I thought that was pretty interesting.

Seems like everybody was doing something with AI last night.

That was definitely a theme, huh?

Definitely a theme.

I mean, and that's been true for the last couple of years.

But so, yeah, so that was the highlight for me so far.

But we're only in really the first full day of Tech Show as we talk.

Thanks so much.

Hey, good morning. I'm Seton Hengispach. I'm an attorney out of Tampa, Florida.

I'm here at my first ABA Tech Show. I'm here to learn a lot about AI, specifically document automation.

Got a real interest in finding out ways that we can streamline the production of documents, legal documents in the office,

to get away from the manual input and those sorts of things.

So really interested to learn about that and some other new and exciting technologies are going to come out of the Tech Show today.

Hi, I'm Joshua Lennon. I'm an attorney admitted into New York.

I'm the lawyer in residence at Clio, and I'm on our legal innovation team helping build out legal AI.

One of the really interesting use cases that I'm seeing our customers do is they're actually using AI as a training tool.

So as they bring in new associates, these new associates are actually teaching themselves different types of law and different types of procedures by using artificial intelligence.

They'll ask our Clio work tool to sum up a procedure or to draft a template that they can then add to.

And what that's doing is it's actually upskilling them to have new areas of law and increased competence across a wider area of practice.

And it's freeing up the managing partners of the law firm to where they're not having to be there holding hands with every question.

So it increases productivity, it increases skills, it increases the services that they're able to offer.

And that's why I'm really enjoying working in legal AI right now.

Joshua, you just gave a really interesting presentation.

One of the things that you mentioned is you're seeing that because of AI, some lawyers are actually increasing their rates.

Tell us about that.

Yes, it's a part of our 2025 Legal Trends Report.

It's a report that we publish every year.

It's built on big data analysis of users of the Clio suite of software.

And one of the things that we did was we looked at where average hourly rates are going.

And of course, we're seeing them increase over time.

It's almost always 4% every year.

But when we started talking to firms that were really using AI, we could see like high use case in those anonymized aggregated stats.

We saw that there was a correlation between two things.

The first of which was they were telling us they were having trouble meeting their billable hour targets.

They were just being so efficient, they weren't recording as many hours as they used to on a task.

And the second was a reaction to that.

That's they're increasing their hourly rates.

So if I can't bill three hours at $500 an hour, well, maybe I can bill one hour at $1,000 an hour.

And so we're seeing AI enabling actually increases in hourly fees and increases in revenue,

but decreasing the amount of hours being built.

And that's a very interesting trend that we're going to be following much further into the future

in our next Legal Trends Report.

Great stuff. Thanks, Joshua. Appreciate it.

Always the best, Jeff.

Hi, my name is Alan Clevin. I'm a practicing attorney in Massachusetts.

I joined the American Bar Association over 20 years ago.

Wow.

Went to Tech Show for my first time in 2005.

I was completely fascinated by this thing called the cloud in 2008.

I've been to almost every Tech Show since.

And, you know, I've made a second family here at Tech Show.

I actually consider every member of the Law Praxis Division a friend.

As they say, there's no such thing as a stranger, just a friend you haven't met.

As chair of the Legal Technology Resource Center, I would like to say and actually piggyback on what Jordan Furlong said at his keynote.

Great keynote.

And his amazing keynote.

That we should be concerned about the evolution of AI and legal tech.

And while AI is morphing rapidly, I think that we should probably address it slowly to make sure that we are practicing by the attorney-client privilege,

the work product doctor in.

And also, I think that it's incumbent on us as attorneys

to tell our clients about their use of artificial intelligence

while they have a case going on.

So if that's my tip, I hope that you all take it to heart.

Have a great day, everyone.

Thanks, Holland.

Hi, I'm Sean Hollihan with the ABA Tech Show Planning Board.

If you didn't hear Jordan Furlong's keynote this morning,

I'm so sorry you didn't.

But here it is.

Jordan Furlong said, "Don't worry, lawyer, that AI is going to replace you."

It's not. We're human and AI is not.

And that gap is going to be served by us lawyers because AI cannot do what we can do.

I hope that that's true, but Sean, it's certainly changing everything that we do.

You have to agree with that.

Absolutely. Absolutely. But fear not.

There is, we're still human and AI is still not.

I'm Kevin O'Keefe. I'm a lawyer of about 40-some years, but I've been working in the digital space and legal tech for about 30-some years,

most around trying to help people through dissemination of information from lawyers and always trying to do something new.

You've been involved in getting lawyers on the Internet for longer than anybody else that I know, frankly.

Yeah, since the late 90s.

We were just talking about it, getting lawyers to participate on AOL to be able to respond

to answers so that people could have access to good legal information.

We've come a long way for AOL, that's for sure.

What do you see as some of the hot things people are talking about this year?

I don't know.

There's a lot of stuff that lawyers are doing on the internet to grab attention.

It's a lot worse than AOL.

What are you excited to hear people talk about at this year's tech show?

You know, Jordan Furlong gave a real nice talk, and it's centered on our obligation to society.

And then being at a movie showing last night with Paladin, the same thing.

So I think as lawyers, people get really focused on how much money am I making,

these type of things that are very personal centric.

What they may have lost sight about is that

the reason you grew up and become a lawyer is to help other people.

And now with technology that makes that possible.

But I don't know that most lawyers think of it as that.

I think this show is good.

Very important. Thanks, Kevin. Appreciate it.

You're welcome.

My name is David Cugini and I've got a real estate firm in Columbus, Ohio.

I enjoy going to TechShow because I enjoy seeing what the latest tools are that make my firm efficient and allow me to grow my firm.

I specifically went looking for a solution for intaking clients, and I was able to get a recommendation that I found out also is an integration with my current practice management software.

I was able to get a demo on the spot and I'm really looking forward to putting that in place.

That sounds good.

Do you want to say the company name or do you want to keep it quiet?

Sure, it was Lawmatics and I was really impressed and I think it's going to be really good for

the firm and I'm just continually looking to see what I can do again to kind of take my

firm further to the next level and improve processes and so I'm glad I found them.

I'm Paul Lawless from Bulldog Green, Kentucky.

For about six months or so I've been using a device called PLAUD, P-L-A-U-D, and it is

simply a recording device about the size of your thumb.

And I simply set it down in the middle of the table, tell everybody I'm just recording

the deposition, no different than the court reporter is, not had any objections with working

with various attorneys on the other side.

And I take that back and rather feverishly take notes through the deposition, I listen

And I take notes on what I need to go back and cross on.

But the best part is I go back and I can upload it to their software.

It will generate a document for me, a transcript, if you will.

And then I act like an attorney, draft me a letter telling about the highs and lows of the deposition.

And it will summarize the deposition.

It will summarize the deposition.

Yeah.

And, you know, again, it's like anything.

You've got to tweak it and so forth.

but I find it's saving me time and, again, more importantly,

allowing me to listen to the deposition to make sure I catch everything that's important.

Ted Pardew. I practice in Bowling Green, Kentucky. I'm a litigator.

Like Paul said, we came here looking for an AI option in our practice.

We have a multifaceted practice with lawyers that practice across all areas.

And I've enjoyed it so far and looking forward to tomorrow.

Hey, I'm Jim Neeson. I'm from New Orleans, Louisiana.

I'm a litigator. We're at Portia St. Gellin-Johnson.

I came to Tech Show. This is my first attendance.

I came looking for document management software,

and I will leave with a couple of good leads from that,

but more importantly, a bunch of good tips from people I met walking around today

about how they use software that I use and software that I don't use in their practices.

So I think that that will help me help the firm get a lot more efficient.

Maybe spend some money.

Thank you.

Hi, Patrick Wright, one of the co-chairs for ABA Tech Show 2026.

And here's my tip, if you're not here.

Scribe.ai, depositions using AI, almost half the cost, two-hour turnaround.

Highly recommend you use it.

Karl.

Scribe AI.

My name is Mike Dunham.

I am a solo litigator right outside Atlanta.

This is my eighth tech show in 24 years.

That's a lot.

And, yeah, it's been interesting to watch everything kind of evolve over time

and remember what was hot 20 years ago versus what's hot now.

I talked to a vendor that did not offer AI, and I'm not sure how they got in the room.

Where else can you go where you have a session about podcasting

and then you have a session about how to use Word more effectively?

and then you have a session about how AI is going to take over the world,

and maybe that's a good thing, and maybe it's not,

and how to make it a good thing all in one day.

And we've still got another day and a half to go.

So it's been a great time, and it's always good to see friends

when you come several years in a row.

That's been one of the best parts also.

Hi, I'm Bill Vance.

I'm the Chief Technology Officer at Adams & Reese,

and I'm very happy this is my fifth tech show,

and very excited to see how all the lawyers are using different tech.

from solo practitioners to large firms.

It's amazing to see how the tech works.

Hey, everybody. I'm Mitch Zoll.

I'm an Austin-based attorney doing business law here at TechShow.

Luckily, we present in two sessions today,

but we're here at the Taste of Tech Show meeting a bunch of folks

that have been here for years before me and some folks who are new.

They asked us to give us a tip, and I wanted to share one with you

that I thought was great from Patrick at EstateScribe.

He said he actually coined the phrase,

but he said it's about the labor, not the lawyer.

So when you're looking for your new tech tool,

your new product that you're trying to put in place,

it's not about replacing the lawyer.

It's about replacing the labor that the firm is doing

that's taking the lawyer away from the job.

So it's a great opportunity to come up to Tech Show.

We hope you join us next year.

We'd love for you to join us at Taste of Tech Show.

Patrick and Brett have done a fantastic job

as chairs of this year's Tech Show.

It really is flawless, but we'd love to have you here next year where our next years are coming up

You'll find this to be the place you want to be to learn about all things legal tech that can help you and your firm

We look forward to having you here next year

It's okay. We'll cut this out later

My name is Mark Unger

attorney in San Antonio solo mediator

Consultant and I'm here at ABA Tech Show. This is probably my 50th or 20th. I don't know

I'll defer to Brett Burney on that.

And I'm here to launch my Legal Tech AI product called Tiramarxu.

Well, welcome back.

Thanks again for doing all the interviews, Jeff.

I thought that that was just really cool that we went around and got to talk to some other people.

We had a number of special guests.

Many special guests.

The most guests we've ever had.

Let's do In the Know real quick.

In the Know.

We got a couple of things.

You got a great tip from a session that you attended today.

And I'm going to share one of the tips that I have.

So at the end of this conference, we usually have a 60 tips in 60 minutes session.

It's like the closer, but we have four people up.

We just do it kind of a quick hits on there.

Well, one of the tips that I was going to share is the GAN chargers that we've talked about many times.

and I have an Anker charger that I got, but I just picked up a 12 South Plug Bug.

So this is the Plug Bug, which is really cool.

You can see it's, I mean, first of all, I just love having a product called the Plug Bug,

which I think is cool.

12 South, very nicely designed.

You can just tell it's real simple on this.

So it's not a battery pack.

So you plug it in.

So you can see that it's just really nice.

It's really compact in the way it does, but I can flip that down,

plug this in and then in the bottom on this one now i got the version that has four usbc

ports in the bottom now you can get one that only has two but i found a good price on this

at amazon and i wanted to get the four because depending on how many you use if you only use one

it's 120 watts so more than enough for your macbook great but now if you plug in multiple that usually

goes down i think it goes to like 60 or something like that still plenty enough to keep everything

you know charging is just maybe not quite as fast on this you can charge up to four devices at once

correct get more power on just as long as yeah you know just have the one it delivers a full 120

but if you have two it kind of goes down and just kind of separates it out because but it does get

just a little tiny bit warm but because it has gan technology in it it's not hot like it's fine i

was able to like rip it out this morning after charging everything and put it right in my bag

and i didn't have any issue with it and then the marquee feature of this one is that this is the

plug bug with find my built in so i know it's it sounds a little crazy it's like why you know why

would you need but this by it's like a hundred dollars if you get it in full price i found it

for about half price so that's why i picked it up because i've been wanting this i wasn't normally

going to buy it at a hundred dollars but it actually has in the back here it looks like it

it should be a battery pack it has a two a cr2032 battery just like an air tag just like an air tag

exactly so you have to put that in so you might have to replace that there's a little plugs that

you do and then you've got a little button here that you tap that to turn it on once it's on and

then you can go in your phone and you can add it to the find my app so i so not only do i have you

So in the Find My app, you have devices, right?

You have people, first of all.

You have devices.

And then you have items, which is where you would find if you had your AirTags on there.

But you can see I've named it the BB Plug Bug here.

And it's right here with me because I can track this now.

And it actually worked out well because on Wednesday, when we first got here, I was in the main expo hall.

I had pulled it out.

I was charging my laptop because I was doing something.

But then I had to run out to another room and I just picked up my laptop and I forgot that I left this in the main hall, Jeff.

And so as soon as I walked out, I got the Find My notification on my watch that I had left it in the main.

And I'm like, you know, right there, it paid for itself.

Which is how it should work. Exactly.

So this is the 12 South plug bug.

And they've had these out for a while.

I don't know that they've always had the Find My, but the fact that it has that in there is just kind of another layer of like coolness.

That's a cool thing.

Like, I don't know how often I would, like, leave this somewhere other than the fact that it just happened two days ago.

Yeah.

I love the fact, I mean, air tags are so useful, but I love that Apple has opened it out because Apple's not going to make that.

Exactly.

But let a third party make it.

Absolutely.

And, like, Apple's not going to make that.

You know, in my wallet, I've got one of those, and we've talked about it a long time ago, but one of those, like, I think it's the Eufy card.

Yes, yes, yes.

That's, you know, super flat.

Yes.

And, you know, Apple's not going to necessarily make something super flat like this, but Eufy will.

And I bought it, and I stick up my wallet.

And if I ever leave my wallet at a restaurant or something like that, much like you, I will get the alert of, whoa, whoa, whoa, your wallet is not there with me.

And it's not there.

So, very, very cool.

I remember, just real quick, I remember when they first came out with the fact that it had the Find My.

And you can add some additional.

We, a little bit, had some doubts on whether or not that they would open this up to other developers.

And I feel like that they've done a pretty good job on that.

It works great. It's really good.

And I just appreciate the fact that we have other devices that will use the Find My.

And I'm like, I just keep them coming.

And now I have a plug bug with Find My in it.

There you go.

Good tip.

So my tip of the week, while you were running the show today, I was on the expo floor talking

to people, talking to vendors, but I also went to a number of sessions.

I think I went to sessions for every time.

Okay.

And I mean, they were all great.

Every session I went to today was really good, but I'm going to highlight one of them.

There was, you know, I am the chair of our technology committee at our firm, which means

I'm always concerned about number one.

I'm always wanting to help our attorneys and staff use technology to its fullest, but I'm also concerned about falling into the traps of technology.

And so I went to a security session that was by David Reese, who is just an incredibly, you know, he knows everything about security.

David and I have presented together on Tech Show and Mark Caligas.

But the tips I'm going to share today came from David when he was talking about security.

You know, one of the things that law firms and all companies face today is, you know,

people trying to get you, the bad guys are trying to trick you, right?

You've got the phishing emails, which just generally go to everybody,

pretending like it's Google or Microsoft.

You've got the spear phishing, which are the dangerous ones,

because they're targeting your specific firm or your specific people.

He used the term today, I had never heard, elephanting,

which is, you know, targeting the high up people in your organizations.

No, no, no.

Wow.

Whaling, whaling, that's what it was.

It's the whales of your organization, you know, targeting your CEO or something like that.

But he went through slides after slides of tips, but there was two of them today that really jumped out at me.

And this is stuff that we know, but it was good to hear it reinforced,

and it's something that I'm going to bring back to my law firm, and it's a tip for everybody.

You know, he reminded you that when you get an email, to pause and think, is it unexpected?

Because so many times these phishing, spear phishing, whatever emails, it'll claim to be, you know, I'm sending you a file.

Click this to download the file.

And you're like, I didn't know that person was going to send me a file.

And you're like, well, I guess they could have.

That's your first clue.

You don't know because the bad guys thought of their system and made it look like it's coming from the person that you know with this other law firm, but it's not really them.

Or maybe it's something else.

You know, it's an emergency thing.

Or somebody pretends to be the leader of your organization saying, I desperately need your help.

I'm like, well, that's, it wasn't what I was expecting.

And, you know, sometimes those happen in real life.

But it's good advice that if it's not expected, you need to teach the folks and yourself pause and think about it.

It gives you pause.

That's right.

And I thought that was really good advice.

And then the other advice that he had, and this is really in the context of some of the financial frauds, which I have seen so many times.

We've skirted around this issue at my firm.

We haven't been hit, fortunately.

And I've had cases at a lawyer where I've been hired to be involved where, and you know what I'm going to say, it's the issue where someone has to pay something and then the bad guys come in somehow, they're in an email system and they say, oh, here's the wire instructions.

But the wire instructions are not going to the real person.

It's going to the bad guys.

And once they get your money, if they're out of the country, you know, you're out.

And so his thing was, especially in those financial things, verify important things, whether it's financial or something in email.

Verify it in a method that is independent and that you can independently verify yourself.

So, for example, people might say, oh, well, I got an email and I replied to the email.

And they said, oh, yes, this is a real email.

But, I mean, of course they're going to say that because they're the bad guys, right?

So don't use the same way that they communicate with you.

What you do is pick up the phone.

And if the email says, here's our phone number, call us.

Don't trust that either.

But if you independently know who the person is in your own contacts list, pick up your phone and call the number that you previously had verified and say, is this really you?

And if it is, great.

They really do want me to do.

My CEO really does want me to buy iTunes gift cards and send it to him, you know, whatever it is.

But, you know, I'm not going to do that anyway.

But if not, so many things can be caught if you just use an independent way.

So those are just two of like they had like a million tips.

And if you do this, if you tell other people in your organization, tell your clients to do this, you will stop the bad guys so many of the times.

So I just thought those were good tips.

Well, you should say the name of the session.

Yeah, what was the name of the session?

The name of the session was training your smart people to stop falling for dumb scams.

What a great name.

Because that's what it is.

It was good.

We knew David was going to do a good job on this.

We have smart people, but sometimes you can fall for dumb scams.

And I know why it happens.

Because we're busy.

You know, you're under the gun.

You're going from this and you're not,

and something comes in and you think it's real

and you're trying to just do the right thing.

And you don't pause and think and like,

was this a surprise?

Can I verify it?

And you can prevent disaster to your organization

just by doing those things.

So I thought those are great tips.

- You just almost have to be nonstop

and just bringing it up and reinforcing it

and rediscussing it and making sure people are aware.

Otherwise, I don't know how else to do it

because all it's gonna take sometimes is just one click.

And I know that keeps you up at night sometimes, too, because there's a lot of people that kind of fall for that, and we hear some of the stories on there.

So, okay, this has been great.

I'm glad that we got together just for a few minutes to talk through this.

I'm so excited that we had all of the interviews and people that we were able to talk to.

We had a dinner with a lot of the folks, even some of our listeners, so thank you.

Jim and Bill was there.

Maybe we got some new listeners tonight, and that would be fantastic.

It's just a lot of fun to always come to Tech Show.

Thanks for doing this, Jeff.

And we'll talk with you next week, right, when we get back home after all of this.

Hopefully the airports, we'll check flighty, make sure we can get there in just time.

We'll get to TSA in plenty of time.

It'll be good.

But thanks again, Jeff.

We'll talk with you next week.

Thanks, Brett.

Bye-bye, everybody.